# RO: What the fuck, Iran? (stoning a middle-aged woman to death) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920 "2010-07-08T01:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/21 "2010-07-08T04:00:49Z")
'Cause it’s the _woman_, silly! In this country, female rape victims are often accused of asking for it. In Islamist countries, they’re often convicted of adultery or fornication unless they can conclusively prove otherwise, and then _killed_ for it! See? It’s only a matter of degree. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/22 "2010-07-08T04:12:44Z")
Everybody must get stoned. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/23 "2010-07-08T04:14:29Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > America? > Stoning is only one small step from waterboarding, so it’s fair to say that we do things _like_ that. > Some of us are even proud of our torturing ways. Fuck off. Yet another Oh Noes, Amerika! Get some new material asshat. ---
**Author:** ![Novalyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@Novalyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novalyne)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/24 "2010-07-08T04:36:16Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I think the guy is usually beheaded under Muslim law (which, from memory, is a bitch to prove adultery under, needing several witnesses who actually see the act, again IIRC). > > -XT I think it’s the charge of rape that needs all the witnesses, which is why men are rarely convicted. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/25 "2010-07-08T05:04:49Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > You need only point me to some threads you either started or participated in (concerning America and our torturing way… Look em up yourself, asshat. You’re the one making claims about how I feel. You find that shit, and bring it on. As things stand, you’re no better than those fuckwits from 2003 claiming everyone who didn’t support the invasion of Iraq hated America. Do you support torture by the US today, **xt**? I’ve made it clear that I don’t support torture by anyone, but in this thread, you seem to be doing your best to make excuses for the good ol’ USA. Are the Bush years and America’s fling with torture something you’d just as soon have everyone forget? If so, that’s pretty scummy of you. Did you ever come out against waterboarding? I know many still embrace the practice: [Poll: Don’t investigate torture techniques May, 2009:](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/06/poll-dont-investigate-torture-techniques/?fbid=q_22Imw5buf) > [@](#): > > Six in ten people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday believe that some of the procedures, such as water boarding, were a form of torture, with 36 percent disagreeing. > > But half the public approves of the Bush administration’s decision to use of those techniques during the questioning of suspected terrorists, with 50 percent in approval and 46 percent opposed. ## Are you one of those supporters, and thus made uncomfortable by comparison of our practices to Iran’s? That’d explain your flailing attack on me for what was a pretty mild comparison between us and them. [QUOTE=gravitycrash] Fuck off. [/QUOTE] Yeah, well you get right on back to lopping the heads off cats with your lawnmower, or whatever it is you do in your spare time. ---
**Author:** ![SevenOfTeemingMillions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@SevenOfTeemingMillions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SevenOfTeemingMillions)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/26 "2010-07-08T05:50:00Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I think the guy is usually beheaded under Muslim law (which, from memory, is a bitch to prove adultery under, needing several witnesses who actually see the act, again IIRC). > > -XT > [@Novalyne](#): > > I think it’s the charge of rape that needs all the witnesses, which is why men are rarely convicted. Interesting info. Thank you. > [@Koxinga](#): > > 'Cause it’s the _woman_, silly! In this country, female rape victims are often accused of asking for it. In Islamist countries, they’re often convicted of adultery or fornication unless they can conclusively prove otherwise, and then _killed_ for it! See? It’s only a matter of degree. That’s scary especially if you’re a woman. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/27 "2010-07-08T06:01:19Z")
No charge of Adultry needs 4 witnesses who actually saw the penetration occur for the matter to even become a live issue. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/28 "2010-07-08T06:06:55Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > America? > Stoning is only one small step from waterboarding, so it’s fair to say that we do things _like_ that. > Some of us are even proud of our torturing ways. You’re disgusting. If you even THINK that waterboarding is nearly as bad as stoning a woman to death is in the same ballpark, you’ve got some series issues. And before you bring it up, yes waterboarding is torture, and yes it’s wrong. It doesn’t mean it’s even in the same hemisphere as this situation. You sicken me. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/29 "2010-07-08T06:11:46Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Look em up yourself, asshat. You’re the one making claims about how I feel. You find that shit, and bring it on. As things stand, you’re no better than those fuckwits from 2003 claiming everyone who didn’t support the invasion of Iraq hated America. > > Do you support torture by the US today, **xt**? I’ve made it clear that I don’t support torture by anyone, but in this thread, you seem to be doing your best to make excuses for the good ol’ USA. Are the Bush years and America’s fling with torture something you’d just as soon have everyone forget? If so, that’s pretty scummy of you. Look, dipshit. I have been anti-war from the start and anti-torture all along. Yet I’m not a fucking retard, so I can understand that there’s a difference of degree between torturing people you suspect of terrorism for information (which I still think is wrong and not even most effective method) and fucking KILLING a woman because you SUSPECT she might be guilty of something that really isn’t all that harmful anyway. At least terrorism, what they’re ostensibly trying to prevent, is legitimately harmful. This, on the other hand, is just a way of enforcing their brutal ownership of women. The US torturing people is bad. It is not an equivelant bad of stoning a woman to death for suspected adultery. You just have a stick up your ass and you want to complain about how horrible America is, so anytime anyone points out a nasty thing happening in the world you can pop up with your retarded false moral outrage and say BUT THE US IS JUST AS BAD!!! No one likes people like you, even people who generally agree with you politically. I’m on your side being anti-war and anti-torture, yet I think your a shrill harpy idiot who hijacked a thread because you can’t wait to lay down some bullshit moral outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/30 "2010-07-08T06:23:34Z")
The difference between Vegas in July and the center of the sun is just a matter of degree. They’re only one small step removed. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/31 "2010-07-08T06:36:13Z")
A small step indeed… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/32 "2010-07-08T07:09:58Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > Fuck off. The difference between telling another poster to fuck off, and uploading a virus to the SDMB servers, is really just a matter of degree. Well, okay, not really, but they \*are \*both against the rules. In the future, please don’t use sexual insults against other posters. No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/33 "2010-07-08T07:19:12Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > America? > Stoning is only one small step from waterboarding, so it’s fair to say that we do things _like_ that. > Some of us are even proud of our torturing ways. Good point, and chalk is quite similar to cheese. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/34 "2010-07-08T08:45:41Z")
It is all Bush’s fault.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/35 "2010-07-08T09:33:26Z")
Actually, to get away from the vituperation … Can I point out that stoning is actually a death sentence that is a more honest death sentence than any other form of execution? The community is enforcing their laws by the community participating in the death sentence as an institution instead of hiring a single person to perform the sentence. The fact that we consider the form of execution barbaric is moot - until recently the barbarity of the form of execution was a moot point. It is a good thing that we culturally are concerned with the humanity level of our punishments, but let us actually consider what we _really_ need to be concerned with here - the legal system that is more concerned with punishing someone for what is really a very minor issue. Marital fidelity/[chastity](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chastity) really should be removed from the legal system as anything past a monetary fine or minimal time in jail, as a [misdemeanor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor) crime. I am not certain if [sharia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) [muslim law] can recognize the difference between levels of crime [misdemeanor vs felony] as I am not any sort of expert in the issue … but the issue is in the cruelty of considering something as minor as sexual [peccadillo](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peccadillo) as an offense needing such a barbarous punishment. It does appear that the local court system does in fact want to change the punishments available to exclude stoning - what we need to do is concentrate on some manner of getting the government to finish with the process of changing the punishments allowed by law. The issue here is that the system is in need of modification, which has been delayed allowing the punishment to be mandated. What can we do to hurry the process along? Not much. It is a matter internal to their country not ours, so this is essentially a matter of recreational outrage. Unfortunate but true, railing on a message board will do nothing. Short of moving troops in and removing the government and replacing it … wait, didn’t we actually try that and fail? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/36 "2010-07-08T14:02:16Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > Good point, and chalk is quite similar to cheese. Did you support the freestyling at Abu Ghraib, or are you one of those who think that acceptable torture may only be carried out by officers of rank in a lawyer supervised environment? What accidental kill rate is sufficient to distinguish us from Iran? Or do you deny we’ve tortured people to death? Is it the ‘oops’ factor that makes our torture ‘chalk vs cheese’ for you, or is it just because it’s _us_ doing the dirty deeds? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/37 "2010-07-08T14:24:24Z")
**Squink** , you are a crazy person. Also, fuck Iran. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/38 "2010-07-08T14:46:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **Squink** , you are a crazy person. Also, fuck Iran. Do you approve of torture when it’s done by Americans? If so, you have no business critcizing Iran when they pull the same shit. I don’t approve of American torture, so can say without hypocrisy, ‘fuck Iran’. I also get annoyed when a bunch of hypocrites try to climb up on a moral hobby-horse and pretend their shit don’t stink. Fuck them too. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/39 "2010-07-08T14:59:52Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Yup, only a difference in magnitude, not in kind. Once you let the torturing assholes out to play, you get horrible things done, no matter how many mission statements and procedural guidelines you have the lawyers draw up. Thanks for posting this. I’ve long believed you were this fucking dumb and this much of a complete jackass, but could only cobble together actual proof. Now we have posts like this in this thread. That makes things much easier. ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920/40 "2010-07-08T15:01:06Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Do you approve of torture when it’s done by Americans? If so, you have no business critcizing Iran when they pull the same shit. I don’t approve of American torture, so can say without hypocrisy, ‘fuck Iran’. > I also get annoyed when a bunch of hypocrites try to climb up on a moral hobby-horse and pretend their shit don’t stink. Fuck them too. I find this way of “debating” so annoying. ‘A’ is bad. Yeah well ‘B’ is almost as bad/just as bad/ worse! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ro-what-the-fuck-iran-stoning-a-middle-aged-woman-to-death/545920.md?page=3)