# Rock Hall of Fame Nominees **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727 "2018-10-09T22:27:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/81 "2018-12-13T17:33:55Z")
In a refreshing change from the recent Baseball Hall of Fame inductions, the R&R Hall of Fame did a better job than the SDMB. > [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Does anyone know if there’s an expiry date on eligibility? It’s one of the things I like about the Baseball HoF. It is weirdly difficult to figure this out. I mean, there has to be some way of weeding out everyone who’s ever been nominated or else the ballot would become impossibly long and confusing. So, having done some research, it appears that the ballot is new every year. There is no carryover; an artist on the ballot in 2019 must get on the 2020 ballot through the nomination process. I think. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/82 "2018-12-13T17:48:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Selections announced: [Radiohead, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks Lead Rock Hall 2019 Class](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/radiohead-janet-jackson-stevie-nicks-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-2019-class-767917/) > Stevie Nicks > Radiohead > Janet (that’s “Jackson” if you’re nasty) > Def Leppard > The Cure > Roxy Music > The Zombies It continues to be the “Hall of the Pretty Good.” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/83 "2018-12-13T18:35:11Z")
I know this was not the intended effect but the ones who got in “instead of Todd Rundgren” will be known for that more than their music. And I like the Zombies a lot. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/84 "2018-12-13T20:20:09Z")
Def Leppard. One of the most derivative bands I can think of. Ahead of Devo and Rage Against the Machine, who both, arguably, defined new movements in rock music. Not to mention Kraftwerk, whom I don’t even like, but who were also pioneers in their subgenre. I liked _Pyromania_ myself back in the day, but enough is enough. After this, you know damn well Nickelback is going in. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/85 "2018-12-14T01:40:35Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I know this was not the intended effect but the ones who got in “instead of Todd Rundgren” will be known for that more than their music. And I like the Zombies a lot. They expanded the number of inductees to seven and still skipped Todd. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/86 "2018-12-14T03:42:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Selections announced: [Radiohead, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks Lead Rock Hall 2019 Class](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/radiohead-janet-jackson-stevie-nicks-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-2019-class-767917/) > Stevie Nicks > Radiohead > Janet (that’s “Jackson” if you’re nasty) > Def Leppard > The Cure > Roxy Music > The Zombies Yay, looks like half my choices (based on the italics in the poll) made it: Roxy Music and The Zombies. I’m still wondering why in the hell I didn’t vote Radiohead–maybe I thought it was too soon. (My other two were Kraftwerk and Todd Rundgren. I mentioned MC5 in my post above, but I apparently didn’t vote for them.) Like I said before, I’m really happy with any of them, but missing Todd Rundgren seems like an oversight to me. I’m not as intimately acquainted with his work as others here are, but all I know and have heard about him would make me think he should be a shoe-in. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/87 "2018-12-14T04:42:45Z")
Here are the poll results in order of votes. Devo 65 The Cure 63 Stevie Nicks 57 Todd Rundgren 49 Roxy Music 43 Radiohead 43 Kraftwerk 41 The Zombies 39 Rage Against the Machine 37 Def Leppard 36 MC5 30 John Prine 27 Janet Jackson 17 LL Cool J 16 Rufus featuring Chaka Khan 10 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/88 "2018-12-14T04:46:49Z")
Here are the poll results in order of votes. ```auto Devo 65 The Cure 63 Stevie Nicks 57 Todd Rundgren 49 Roxy Music 43 Radiohead 43 Kraftwerk 41 The Zombies 39 Rage/ Machine 37 Def Leppard 36 MC5 30 John Prine 27 Janet Jackson 17 LL Cool J 16 Rufus/Chaka Khan 10 ``` You ranked the actual inductees 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, and 13. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/89 "2018-12-15T00:51:03Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Like I said before, I’m really happy with any of them, but missing Todd Rundgren seems like an oversight to me. I’m not as intimately acquainted with his work as others here are, but all I know and have heard about him would make me think he should be a shoe-in. I’m a huge Todd fan and didn’t think he was going to make it as a performer. Even though he’s a great performer and a genius songwriter, he doesn’t have enough hit records and people citing him as an influence. It’s his own fault for jumping from one genre to another. But I thought they would have given him a Nile Rogers style “Award For Musical Excellence” to acknowledge his production work. He produced _The New York Dolls, Bad Brains, Hall & Oates_ and many others. He saved _XTC’s_ career by producing _Skylarking_. And his definition of “production” included arranging, playing whatever instrument was needed, writing songs, engineering, whatever. On _Bat Out of Hell_, he did all of the arrangements - according to Meat Loaf, Jim Steinman cannot read or write music, and would _hum_ what he wanted to Todd. I mean, the man played the “motorcycle guitar” on the title track to _Bat Out of Hell_, the marimba on _Love My Way_ and the COWBELL on _We’re An American Band_! What does he have to do to get some respect? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/90 "2018-12-15T02:39:38Z")
Eno’s not in, after **Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy?**. Warren fucking ZEVON is not in? I’m outta here, shut off the lights when you’re done. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/91 "2018-12-15T03:49:37Z")
Todd has absolutely earned a place through his massive presence and notable work in the world of rock ‘n’ roll. The accolade for Todd is long overdue. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/92 "2018-12-15T04:29:29Z")
only problem is rudgrens considered one of if not _the_ biggest asshole in rock especially by the people who vote for these things… ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/93 "2018-12-15T06:17:35Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > only problem is rudgrens considered one of if not _the_ biggest asshole in rock especially by the people who vote for these things… He’s very sarcastic, but I’ve not heard him called an asshole. If he were, he wouldn’t have so many musicians who have been with him for decades. The core of his band, Jesse Gress on guitar, Prairie Prince on drums and Kasim Sulton on bass have been with him for decades, Sulton since 1976! I imagine Steven Tyler doesn’t like him. Todd’s girlfriend Bebe Buell cheated on him with Tyler, Todd forgave her and raised her daughter Liv as his own - then when she was 11, her mom revealed that this other rock star was her biological father. Todd and Liv are still close. And Andy Partridge has never forgiven Todd for helping create their most successful album, _Skylarking_, and saving their career. By the way, Todd predicted the move to music streaming back in 1978. > **[Todd Rundgren Predicted Music Streaming 37 Years Ago](https://www.billboard.com/pro/todd-rundgren-predicted-music-streaming-37-years-ago/)** > > In a backstage interview from the late '70s, the legendary guitarist and producer held court on the tectonic shifts of industry that computers would eventually bring. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/94 "2018-12-15T14:14:44Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Todd has absolutely earned a place through his massive presence and notable work in the world of rock ‘n’ roll. The accolade for Todd is long overdue. I agree he deserved a HOF spot, but on the other hand it’s hard to see him being diminished in any real way by not getting in. Did Stevie Nicks really need to get in separately in addition to being part of Fleetwood Mac? Maybe her wardrobe will be voted in from a future ballot. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/95 "2018-12-15T19:55:53Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I agree he deserved a HOF spot, but on the other hand it’s hard to see him being diminished in any real way by not getting in. Todd has made it clear that he doesn’t care one way or the other, but his fans do care. And a feature spot on a concert on HBO would do a lot for drawing crowds to the shows. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/96 "2019-01-08T00:16:55Z")
I’m not a Radiohead fan, but I’m glad they got in. They’ve been constantly innovative and influential, which is what a Hall of Famer should be. The commercially successful dolts have gotten their reward. Def Leppard. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/97 "2019-01-08T04:09:58Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > But I thought they would have given him a Nile Rogers style “Award For Musical Excellence” to acknowledge his production work. He produced _The New York Dolls, Bad Brains, Hall & Oates_ and many others. He saved _XTC’s_ career by producing _Skylarking_. And his definition of “production” included arranging, playing whatever instrument was needed, writing songs, engineering, whatever. > > On _Bat Out of Hell_, he did all of the arrangements - according to Meat Loaf, Jim Steinman cannot read or write music, and would _hum_ what he wanted to Todd. > > I mean, the man played the “motorcycle guitar” on the title track to _Bat Out of Hell_, the marimba on _Love My Way_ and the COWBELL on _We’re An American Band_! What does he have to do to get some respect? The Hall usually gives the “Award for Musical Excellence” only after someone fails to get in as a performer several times. Chic was nominated and failed to get in seven times before the Hall inducted Nile Rogers under the Musical Excellence category. (Oddly enough, Chic hasn’t been nominated since.). IIRC, the Musical Excellence Award is announced separately from the Performers. Also remember, that Todd Rundgren is best known to the American public for “Bang On My Drum” , which probably doesn’t help his case. ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727/98 "2019-01-08T04:15:11Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Did Stevie Nicks really need to get in separately in addition to being part of Fleetwood Mac? Maybe her wardrobe will be voted in from a future ballot. I really don’t think her solo career really makes the cut. Most of her solo hits were duets. I’m somewhat surprised Diana Ross is not in as a solo act. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-hall-of-fame-nominees/822727.md?page=4)