# "Rock music and the Christian" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 18, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168 "2011-08-18T14:41:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/21 "2011-08-18T22:09:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is no such thing as backwards masking. It’s been done on occasion, but just as a joke, an “Easter Egg”. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/22 "2011-08-18T22:10:46Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > And while I’m here, I feel compelled to say: > **I snort the nose, Lucifer! Banana, banana!** 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/23 "2011-08-18T22:12:27Z")
> [@Winston\_Smith](#): > > It sure does. I’ll try an updated google search - thanks Here’s a page with a [YouTube](http://jeffmilner.com/index.php/2007/01/24/backmasking-on-the-paul-jan-crouch-show/)of the first part of the presentation (scroll to the bottom of the page). ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/24 "2011-08-18T22:26:26Z")
I remember presentations like this to my youth group at church growing up. The one specific thing I remember was how the album insert for “Hotel California” allegedly had a picture of Anton Lavey. That, and the presenter really loved telling the origin of the band name Duran Duran. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/25 "2011-08-18T22:52:46Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > That, and the presenter really loved telling the origin of the band name Duran Duran. Can you tell me what the supposed origin of the name Duran Duran is? I have never heard anything about what the name “means” if anything. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/26 "2011-08-18T23:04:58Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Can you tell me what the supposed origin of the name Duran Duran is? Don’t need to make up anything to make it offensive to devout Christian types - it’s from Durand Durand, a character from Barbarella. His major scene was when he used the Excessive Machine on Barbarella, which was basically meant to give her a lethal orgasm. (It…didn’t work, because, well…) ---
**Author:** ![I-VI-ii-V](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c89c15/32.png) [@I-VI-ii-V](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I-VI-ii-V)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/27 "2011-08-18T23:06:07Z")
I think you mean Michael Mills from Battle Creek, MI. Here’s an [example](http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/DP/2003/01/365-Days-Project-01-12-mills-michael-hidden-satanic-messages-in-rock-music-1981.mp3) of his nuttiness. A buddy of mine commemorated June 6, 2006 (6/6/6) with a 3 CD mix-tape of 76 songs having to do with Satan/the Devil. Four sermons by Michael Mills were on it. ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/28 "2011-08-18T23:57:45Z")
I’ve always loved Neil Peart’s take on the whole thing, since Rush is often mentioned in backward masking conversations and other ‘ZOMG SATANIC’ type sermons. > [@Neil Peart](#): > > As one who knows many of these “demonic figures” personally, especially some of those mentioned in the article, the idea of some of these sold-out, burnt-out, cynical, strutting peacocks being so deeply and religiously committed to anything (save their “image” and chart numbers) is also a bit of a joke. And a pretty lame one at that! Whole article is worth a read, he’s on a roll. It’s from 1981. Worthy of a Pit rant. > **["Rock Groups Hardly Satanistic" - Daily Texan, published shortly after July...](http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19810719dailytexan.htm)** ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/29 "2011-08-19T00:01:52Z")
Sounds like something “Cecil” would have written a column about, at some point. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/30 "2011-08-19T00:11:21Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s been done on occasion, but just as a joke, an “Easter Egg”. ELO did it a number of times, but, as you note, always as “Easter Eggs”. At the beginning of “[Fire On High](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_On_High)”, there are clear backwards vocals. Played in reverse, it’s drummer Bev Bevan saying, “The music is reversible, but time is not. Turn back! Turn back! Turn back! Turn Back!” This was done in response to allegations that the song “[Eldorado](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldorado_%28Electric_Light_Orchestra_song%29)”, on their previous album, had backwards-masked Satanic lyrics. When the backwards-masking hysteria was at its peak in the early 1980s, they did an album entitled “Secret Messages”, which contained a large number of intentional backwards tracks (including one, at the beginning of “Rock ‘n’ Roll Is King” which says, “thank you for listening”). ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/31 "2011-08-19T00:38:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s been done on occasion, but just as a joke, an “Easter Egg”. A bunch of examples are listed (under “Music”) at the [TVTropes page on Subliminal Seduction](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SubliminalSeduction). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/32 "2011-08-19T01:08:17Z")
There’s always the classic one from Pink Floyd’s The Wall: “Congratulations. You have found the secret message…” ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/33 "2011-08-19T01:30:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is no such thing as backwards masking. Actually [there is such a thing](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backward_masking), but it is not the thing that this thread is concerned with. ---
**Author:** ![No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/No_umlaut_for_U)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/34 "2011-08-19T03:14:14Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > If you read this post backwards, you get “Satan does jumping-jacks with Ralph Nader in Waukegan.” Thanks–that one made my day!😃 ---
**Author:** ![KRC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/45deac/32.png) [@KRC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KRC)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/35 "2011-08-19T06:10:00Z")
**Subliminal Seduction**? Way to make kids run to the store so they could see all the dirty words on the cracker boxes. And yes, I think the anti rock guy came through Albuquerque and delivered his lecture here in the early 80’s. I ultimately decided he took everything too literally and was even trying to convince people that songs which were about violence and drugs but clearly not in favor of them were sinful. (Because if we don’t ever hear of unpleasant things, that means they go away, don’t they?) Don’t know about backward masking; I heard the supposed Stairway to Heaven message about 40 times and each time it was different. I could make out a Satan but if I snored enough someone would probably hear me call upon him in my sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/36 "2011-08-19T12:33:27Z")
Whenever I listen to Queen I get a sudden urge to scout mare wanna (because it’s sfun.) ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/37 "2011-08-19T13:19:53Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **I snort the nose, Lucifer! Banana, banana!** Devil Bunnies! ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/38 "2011-08-19T13:25:19Z")
If you want to investigate Rock Music from a (batshit) Christian point of view, be prepared to waste a few weeks of your life [here](http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/devils_music.htm) > [@](#): > > The Jonas Brother’s song song, KIDS OF THE FUTURE played backwards praises Satan, saying: “I speak for Satan, Satan, Satan. My eet forsaken Satan, Satan!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/39 "2011-08-19T13:32:55Z")
Has anyone ever proved that backmasked messages are perceived on any level _other_ than by playing the song backwards? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168/40 "2011-08-19T14:44:31Z")
Oh, I almost forgot – the guy I listened to who railed against devil music reluctantly acknowledged that it was impossible for the bands to do it on purpose (except when they obviously did, like the easter egg examples). The fact that the messages appeared without the band’s intent was CLEAR PROOF THAT THEY WERE BEING SUPERNATURALLY USED BY SATAN TO SPREAD HIS MESSAGE. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rock-music-and-the-christian/593168.md?page=3)