# Roger Moore Doesn't Like the New Bond **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 11, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255 "2008-11-11T22:28:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/21 "2008-11-13T00:39:38Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > That’s not too improbable, and with a little fanwankery, that could be made to work. The only hitch would be the line in _Casino Royale_ (the canonical Daniel Craig, not that 60s abortion) where Bond says something to the effect, “I always thought that ‘M’ was just a codename. I didn’t know it stood for–” At which point, M cuts him off with, “Utter one more syllable and I’ll have you killed.” This leaves it open for it being a job title, with a little stretching. > > I’ve always thought that a good Bond film would be to have one of the former Bond’s (say Connery) as a retired agent who’s gone rogue, and you had to send the current holder of the name after him. This would lead to the ex-007 saying to his henchmen, “And when you find ‘Mr. Bond,’ kill him, I know what happens if someone tries to capture him.” How about this… the original James Bond (real birth name) was born in the 1920s, or whatever, and became the first 007 in the 1960s (i.e., played by Sean Connery). Then, Connery-Bond retired, but HMSS kept the name “James Bond” as a code name for all future 007s. That way, the writers can keep the original James Bond bio intact yet keep the story fresh with new actors without having to reboot the storyline every decade. It would also open the door for all the former 007s to appear in some sort of James Bond reunion film, each one playing “James Bond” by codename, except Connery, who would play the original James Bond who was born with the name. Hilarity ensues. Someone says, “Mr. Bond?” and 8 guys turn their heads and say, “Yes?” At some point, M says, “And I thought ONE Bond was bad enough.” ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/22 "2008-11-13T00:42:38Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I thought Roger Moore was too laid-back for Bond, although I liked his TV portrayal of the Saint (an elegant ‘Robin Hood’ type conman). > > Daniel Craig plays tough very well, but I thought the big problems with Quantum of Solace were: The movie isn’t even released in the U.S. so I thought I was safe from spoilers. Might want to box spoilers from here on or have a mod put a warning in the title. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/23 "2008-11-13T00:47:39Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > The movie isn’t even released in the U.S. so I thought I was safe from spoilers. Might want to box spoilers from here on or have a mod put a warning in the title. Except, of course, at least one of those things is clearly **not** true, which leaves the others to be suspect as well. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/24 "2008-11-13T02:20:23Z")
I recently saw a clip in which Roger praised Daniel as the best Bond he’d ever seen. I absolutely agree. DC is as bond should be. I thought Pierce (second best) was too upper class. And to those who criticised DC for being blonde - I suggest that you get acquainted with that which the rest of us call ‘outside’. ---
**Author:** ![johnspartan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a183cd/32.png) [@johnspartan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnspartan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/25 "2008-11-13T18:57:53Z")
Regarding Bond’s age… “I read somewhere, but can’t find now” (you know swell posts start that way, right?) I read somewhere but can’t find now that an early draft of _Die Another Day_ tacitly acknowledge that, just as the actor playing James Bond changes, the **agent** who is “James Bond” changes… that it’s like Michael Knight in the Knight Rider universe or, if you prefer, The Dread Pirate Roberts… someone for who the name inspires the necessary fear. But obviously that was scrapped so it’s just on cutting room floor now. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/26 "2008-11-13T19:13:06Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > Roger Moore thinks the new Bond is “too violent?” Isn’t this the guy who: > > - Threw a guy out of an airlock into space > - Dumped a guy in a wheelchair down a factory smokestack > - Forced a shark gun pellet down a guy’s throat and made him explode > - Threw a guy into a pool of liquid helium > - Threw two guys out of an airplane > - Threw a guy into a shark tank (he lived, but still) > - Kicked a guy off the Golden Gate Bridge Yes, but most of those were with a wink and a nudge (and the liquid helium was Mary Goodnight, wasn’ it?). His best moment as Bond was in _For Your Eyes Only_, when Locque is trying to run him down in his car, spins, and is balanced on the edge of the cliff. Bond kicks the car over the edge without saying a word. It’s the closest Roger Moore can come to being a badass. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255/27 "2008-11-13T19:49:37Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Yes, but most of those were with a wink and a nudge So you are saying that Moore’s Bond was a psychopath who was amused by the torment he inflicted on others? Since Craig’s Bond is merely a dick doing his job, in a “banality of evil” way, that would make him slightly better than Moore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-doesnt-like-the-new-bond/472255.md?page=1)