# Roger Moore was pretty cold blooded as Bond **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 1, 2019, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547 "2019-09-01T06:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/21 "2019-09-02T02:54:37Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > In this case, the movie follows precisely the plot of the original story. In Fleming’s short story, Bond did see the female assassin, who transported the gun in her instrument case, and adjusted his aim at the last second to avoid killing her. His companion noticed this and said he’d have to report Bond’s actions, and Bond replied with pretty much the same words. One of the few movies where the Walther WA 2000 rifle is seen. Always wondered what that weird gun was that Bond had, until IMFDB became a thing. IMHO, Dalton was one of the better Bonds. Too bad he never really had decent scripts for his talent. The list of Bonds by height is interesting. Never met any of them in person, but I’ve thought Craig was the most intimidating of the bunch. Always thought it would’ve been interesting if Lewis Collins, who AIUI, was on the short list to be Bond, had been chosen. Decent actor in things like Who Dares Wins. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/22 "2019-09-02T04:01:38Z")
Moore skied on Olin Mark VI Comp SL’s. Enough said. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/23 "2019-09-02T04:10:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Craig’s Bond in Casino Royal seduced Solange, Le Chiffre’s wife. She was later found dead in the hammock: Solange was Dimitrios’s wife, right? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/24 "2019-09-02T05:48:43Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Even better in the movie, and it must have been shocking for a 1962 movie audience, Bond not only shoots the unarmed Dent, he puts another shot into his back to make sure Dent’s dead. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cns2HKn0tDk](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cns2HKn0tDk) It wasn’t just cold-blooded, it seemed to me counterproductive. Bond had captured Dr. No’s right-hand man. Surely it would have been better to take him into custody and interrogate him rather than kill him basically for spite. (One could argue that Bond didn’t have time to take him in, and it was better to kill him than take a chance he might escape by tying him up and having others come pick him up, but still it seemed like a screw-up on Bond’s part to kill a valuable informant.) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/25 "2019-09-02T05:58:46Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Even better in the movie, and it must have been shocking for a 1962 movie audience, Bond not only shoots the unarmed Dent, he puts another shot into his back to make sure Dent’s dead. [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cns2HKn0tDk](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cns2HKn0tDk) Bond does essentially the same thing thing to Stromberg. Shoots him twice, even taunting him that he is out of ammo, then moves in closer for two further shots. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XbqxXFv1sik/hqdefault.jpg "James Bond 007 kills Stromberg (The Spy Who Loved Me 1977)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbqxXFv1sik) ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/26 "2019-09-02T11:28:01Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Bond does essentially the same thing thing to Stromberg. Shoots him twice, even taunting him that he is out of ammo, then moves in closer for two further shots. > > [https://youtu.be/XbqxXFv1sik](https://youtu.be/XbqxXFv1sik) By 1977, I think audiences were a bit more used to that sort of thing. Sort of surprising his .380 was able to zip through the breech of that speargun to gut shoot Stromberg, but it didn’t matter after the two to the chest. And it’s a movie, not a documentary, sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/27 "2019-09-02T11:29:23Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It wasn’t just cold-blooded, it seemed to me counterproductive. Bond had captured Dr. No’s right-hand man. Surely it would have been better to take him into custody and interrogate him rather than kill him basically for spite. (One could argue that Bond didn’t have time to take him in, and it was better to kill him than take a chance he might escape by tying him up and having others come pick him up, but still it seemed like a screw-up on Bond’s part to kill a valuable informant.) Dent probably had a suicide capsule too. I got the impression Dr. No’s people weren’t ever going to talk. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/28 "2019-09-02T13:48:01Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > “My people know their way around a man’s anatomy!” I’ll bet they do. It makes them more efficient killers. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/29 "2019-09-02T14:09:31Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > Solange was Dimitrios’s wife, right? :smack: Yep. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/30 "2019-09-02T14:42:51Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > Solange was Dimitrios’s wife, right? Bond, 1. Took Dimitrious car 2. Fucked his wife 3. Killed him All in one night. The wife and killing are part of his job, but man, did he have to take his car?😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/31 "2019-09-02T15:28:48Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Dent probably had a suicide capsule too. I got the impression Dr. No’s people weren’t ever going to talk. Do we elsewhere see captured members of SPECTRE committing suicide? It’s a commercial criminal organization, not a ideological one. Dent might have committed suicide, but Bond didn’t know that for sure. Basically, Bond just killed him in revenge because he was pissed off that Dent had tried to kill him. He didn’t give any consideration to his possible intelligence value. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/32 "2019-09-02T15:29:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It wasn’t just cold-blooded, it seemed to me counterproductive. Bond had captured Dr. No’s right-hand man. Surely it would have been better to take him into custody and interrogate him rather than kill him basically for spite. (One could argue that Bond didn’t have time to take him in, and it was better to kill him than take a chance he might escape by tying him up and having others come pick him up, but still it seemed like a screw-up on Bond’s part to kill a valuable informant.) I agree with Gray Ghost; Bond had probably got everything he was going to get out of Dent. In fact, the whole point of letting Dent live as long as he did was to keep him talking. Bond deliberately let’s him think he’s got a chance to grab his gun and escape, and Dent answers Bond’s questions as a stalling tactic. It’s brilliant on Bond’s part, but once Dent knows he’s been played, it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/33 "2019-09-02T15:33:02Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Do we elsewhere see captured members of SPECTRE committing suicide? The driver who’d picked up 007 at the airport earlier in that same movie did it. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/34 "2019-09-02T16:02:50Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Do we elsewhere see captured members of SPECTRE committing suicide? It’s a commercial criminal organization, not a ideological one. Dent might have committed suicide, but Bond didn’t know that for sure. Basically, Bond just killed him in revenge because he was pissed off that Dent had tried to kill him. He didn’t give any consideration to his possible intelligence value. Once again, [he did something similar in _The Spy who Loved Me_.](https://youtu.be/hLcXO8eCPV8) The guy was helpful. And helpless. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/35 "2019-09-02T17:06:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Do we elsewhere see captured members of SPECTRE committing suicide? It’s a commercial criminal organization, not a ideological one. Dent might have committed suicide, but Bond didn’t know that for sure. Basically, Bond just killed him in revenge because he was pissed off that Dent had tried to kill him. He didn’t give any consideration to his possible intelligence value. Isn’t the first chauffeur that Bond gets a ride with from the airport an agent for Dr. No? He and Bond fight, he loses, and he kills himself before Bond can get anything out of him? Been awhile since I saw the movie, and I’m going by wiki’s description of the plot. You’re right of course that killing a source before he can talk is remarkably stupid. EDIT: what Waldo Pepper said upthread. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/36 "2019-09-03T02:23:56Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > > [@The Other Waldo Pepper](#): > > > > Heck, it’s the point of the title: “Stuff my orders; I only kill professionals; that girl didn’t know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M what you want; if he fires me, I’ll thank him for it.” [pauses as he ponders what he did instead of killing her] “Whoever she was, I must have scared the living daylights out of her.” > > In this case, the movie follows precisely the plot of the original story. In Fleming’s short story, Bond did see the female assassin, who transported the gun in her instrument case, and adjusted his aim at the last second to avoid killing her. His companion noticed this and said he’d have to report Bond’s actions, and Bond replied with pretty much the same words. Correction: In the original story, the female sniper is a highly skilled professional, and Bond’s aware of that. > [@](#): > > "They’re mounting quite an operation […] Put their best sniper on the job. All we know about him is that his code name is the Russian for ‘Trigger’. > > Had she carried her weapon to and fro every day in that 'cello case? Was the whole orchestra composed of KGB women? […] > > James Bond […] looked Captain Sender straight in the eye: > “‘Trigger’ was a woman.” > “So what? KGB have got plenty of women agents… and women gunners. […] Donskaya and Lomova, terrific shots. She may even have been one of them.” […] > > James Bond […] suddenly didn’t want to leave […] the place from which, for three days, he had had this long-range, one-sided romance with […] an enemy agent with much the same job in her outfit as he had in his. […] She’d certainly be court-martialled for muffing this job. Probably be kicked out of the KGB. […] > > “[…] But tell Head of Station not to worry. That girl won’t do any more sniping. Probably lost her left hand. Certainly broke her nerve for that kind of work. Scared the living daylights out of her.” ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/37 "2019-09-03T02:56:45Z")
Given the main conflict involved in the movies, he probably should be so. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/38 "2019-09-03T14:58:13Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > And anyway in a list of “Most Assholish thing 007 has ever done”, Moore’s Bond has most of the spots sown up. Not to disagree with your thesis, which I support, but #1 in the list has to be him rifling through the pockets of his long-time friend Mathis, just after the latter has been shot dead by corrupt Bolivian police. He takes the cash in the wallet then chucks the body in a nearby dumpster. > [@Colibri](#): > > It wasn’t just cold-blooded, it seemed to me counterproductive. Bond had captured Dr. No’s right-hand man. Surely it would have been better to take him into custody and interrogate him rather than kill him basically for spite. (One could argue that Bond didn’t have time to take him in, and it was better to kill him than take a chance he might escape by tying him up and having others come pick him up, but still it seemed like a screw-up on Bond’s part to kill a valuable informant.) Oh sure, what could possibly go wrong with keeping your enemy alive when you had a golden opportunity to permanently dispose of them? 🙂 Bond doesn’t usually copy the mistakes of his enemies. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/39 "2019-09-03T15:04:12Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Correction: In the original story, the female sniper is a highly skilled professional, and Bond’s aware of that. Agreed – I was referring to the way he suddenly changed his aim and refused, against orders, to kill her. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547/40 "2019-09-03T15:05:57Z")
Ian Flemming’s Bond was a cold blooded killer. Much like the early Connery and like Craig. I thought that Roger Moore’s Bond was a joke. Not sure if that was Moore or the producers, but I was very glad to see Moore gone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-moore-was-pretty-cold-blooded-as-bond/839547.md?page=3)