# Roger Stone arrested in early morning FBI raid! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 25, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387 "2019-01-25T12:45:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/61 "2019-01-27T23:43:33Z")
Can we please get a cite for that quote from the lawyer? All I’m seeing on Google is unsourced quotes of it together with the joke. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/62 "2019-01-28T00:58:09Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Mueller is milking this case like a true government employee. He’ll go on for years with this. Mueller is 74, older than Dotard, older than Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadop, and all of the other people he has put in jail, indicted, or referred over to SD[ In addition, the pace in which he is zeroing on the target - Trump, yes, but really, Putin - is remarkably fast for an investigation of this scale and it seems readily apparent (though I am by no means an expert), that the Mueller investigation is really much larger than most have glommed on to. It’s not just him and his “team”, it’s Mueller directing and coordinating the FBI, with assists from the CIA, the NSA, multiple foreign governments… and all of them are pursuing their own leads, especially in Britain where the same goddamned thing happened to them. Remember, Farnaby, this is a _counterintelligence_ case against a _foreign country_ which just _happens_ to involve the current President of the United States. There is no stopping it, and calls to end it prior to the conclusion are, frankly, treasonous. So, no. The 74yo man who is investigating an act of… if not “espionage”, then “war”… is not milking this case. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/63 "2019-01-28T06:29:49Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Unlike all the other Trump criminals Mueller has charged, Stone vows to fight. I wondered how much sense Stone had, until I learned that he had a tattoo of Richard Nixon’s face on his back. So now I know how much sense he has. In Canada there was a notorious serial killer, Russell Williams. He was a high-ranking officer in the Canadian Forces at the time he was hauled in for questioning. Over the course of his interrogation the RCMP quietly, elegantly brought him around to acknowledging his evil deeds and by the time they were finished Williams was drawing them a map to where the bodies were hidden. Stone may vow that he’s not going to bear false witness against Trump but Mueller has the evidence and I don’t think it will be long until Stone is telling Mueller where the bodies are buried. After all, it isn’t bearing false witness if he’s just admitting to what actually happened. As regards the tattoo on Stone’s back, I believe it was Bill Maher who noted “I feel sorry for his cellmate.” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/64 "2019-01-28T06:37:15Z")
Too late for the edit window: It was actually the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) who [got the confession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams_(criminal)#Confession) from Russell Williams, not the RCMP. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/65 "2019-01-28T11:31:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Nixon Foundation distances itself from Roger Stone > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/nixon-foundation-distances-stone/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/nixon-foundation-distances-stone/index.html) > > Individual 1 distances himself from Roger Stone. > [Trump says indicted Roger Stone 'never even worked for me near the election' | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636641/Trump-says-indicted-Roger-Stone-never-worked-near-election.html) It’s just a stone’s throw away! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/66 "2019-01-28T11:34:49Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > In Canada there was a notorious serial killer, Russell Williams. He was a high-ranking officer in the Canadian Forces at the time he was hauled in for questioning. Man, that guy… he could’ve ended up as Chief of the Defense Staff if he’d been more careful. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/67 "2019-01-28T11:50:19Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Ken Starr spent seven years searching and all he got was a lousy blowjob. > > Mueller has spent two and has indictments. _Multiple_ indictments. > This is something called actual results. Still not understanding why we should compare this to something that happened over 20 years ago. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Can you describe in what way(s) you think Mr. Mueller is “milking this”? He is piddling along indicting people for crimes that happened after he was appointed. In fact they happened _because_ of his investigation. I’m sure he has something on Trump’s shady business deals. Let’s have it instead of dragging this out and keeping the specter of collusion alive. He weaves actual crimes by Stone into a fanciful narrative in the indictment including things that he will never have to prove in court. Even then his narratives are rather lame. > [@JohnT](#): > > Mueller is 74, older than Dotard, older than Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadop, and all of the other people he has put in jail, indicted, or referred over to SD[ > In addition, the pace in which he is zeroing on the target - Trump, yes, but really, Putin - is remarkably fast for an investigation of this scale and it seems readily apparent (though I am by no means an expert), that the Mueller investigation is really much larger than most have glommed on to. It’s not just him and his “team”, it’s Mueller directing and coordinating the FBI, with assists from the CIA, the NSA, multiple foreign governments… and all of them are pursuing their own leads, especially in Britain where the same goddamned thing happened to them. > > Remember, Farnaby, this is a _counterintelligence_ case against a _foreign country_ which just _happens_ to involve the current President of the United States. There is no stopping it, and calls to end it prior to the conclusion are, frankly, treasonous. > > So, no. The 74yo man who is investigating an act of… if not “espionage”, then “war”… is not milking this case. Who needs operation mockingbird with voluntary hysteria like this. Trump is a shady character and Mueller will take him down, probably for his business deals. Stone was indicted for covering up non-crimes. The idea that any of this has anything to do with espionage or counterintelligence is a product of Mueller’s fanciful narratives that he never proves. Media hacks latch onto the allusions to the Russia narrative and apparently have a lot of influence on your opinion. He keeps the rubes’ hope of some grand “act of war” alive for obvious political reasons. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/68 "2019-01-28T11:55:48Z")
That being said, if Trump was in touch with the Russians before the election because he wants to deescalate confrontation, I’m all for it. There has been one act of foreign collusion that has been proven. An agent of the British government colluded with the Clinton campaign on the “dossier”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/69 "2019-01-28T12:18:39Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > An agent of the British government colluded with the Clinton campaign on the “dossier”. Virtually everything in that sentence is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/70 "2019-01-28T12:25:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Virtually everything in that sentence is incorrect. No. But I’m sure Maddow told you otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/71 "2019-01-28T12:25:33Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Mueller is milking this case like a true government employee. He’ll go on for years with this. LOL! You should print that one out and frame it. That one is pretty bad by any standard. It is pretty Trumpian. Hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/72 "2019-01-28T12:25:49Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > That being said, if Trump was in touch with the Russians before the election because he wants to deescalate confrontation, I’m all for it. > > There has been one act of foreign collusion that has been proven. An agent of the British government colluded with the Clinton campaign on the “dossier”. Do you think for one moment that Donald gives a flying fuck in a rolling donut hole about deescalating confrontation? I’m quite certain he has no idea what the phrase means. Donald was such a fucking deadbeat that no western banks would loan him money. He ran to the Russians for help and they now have that over him. In addition, you know every moment he was in Moscow he was recorded and something he said or did is also being held over him. He is in debt up to his asshole to Russia and also doesn’t want the pee tape coming out- he is now a Russian asset. As for Michael Steele, he was a _former_ British intelligence agent compiling opposition research paid for by a Republican candidate. When that candidate dropped out, Hillary’s campaign started paying for it. The point is that much of the dossier has been proven true and none of it has been proven false and all of it disqualifies Donald from the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/73 "2019-01-28T12:29:19Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No. Yes. Your turn. > [@](#): > > But I’m sure Maddow told you otherwise. Ms Maddow and I are not on speaking terms, nor am I one of her viewers. But it’s interesting to note that this was your immediate response. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/74 "2019-01-28T12:30:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Do you think for one moment that Donald gives a flying fuck in a rolling donut hole about deescalating confrontation? I’m quite certain he has no idea what the phrase means. Donald was such a fucking deadbeat that no western banks would loan him money. He ran to the Russians for help and they now have that over him. In addition, you know every moment he was in Moscow he was recorded and something he said or did is also being held over him. He is in debt up to his asshole to Russia and also doesn’t want the pee tape coming out- he is now a Russian asset. > > As for Michael Steele, he was a _former_ British intelligence agent compiling opposition research paid for by a Republican candidate. When that candidate dropped out, Hillary’s campaign started paying for it. The point is that much of the dossier has been proven true and none of it has been proven false and all of it disqualifies Donald from the presidency. Yes. A “former” spook. Such reassurance. I told you Trump was a shady character and will be brought down by his business deals. The idea that he is an “asset” of the Russian government is a conspiracy theory. Things are not as thrilling as a Hollywood plot, but go ahead and cook. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/75 "2019-01-28T12:31:28Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > As for Michael Steele, Nitpick: **Christopher** Steele. Michael Steele is the former RNC chairman. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/76 "2019-01-28T12:34:42Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes. A “former” spook. Such reassurance. So your entire argument is scare quotes. And you feel that it’s other people who don’t have a substantive argument? > [@](#): > > I told you Trump was a shady character and will be brought down by his business deals. The idea that he is an “asset” of the Russian government is a conspiracy theory. Supported by quite a lot of actual evidence. > [@](#): > > Things are not as thrilling as a Hollywood plot, but go ahead and cook. Scare quotes and sneering. Yes, you’re really making a compelling case here. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/77 "2019-01-28T12:38:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Nitpick: **Christopher** Steele. Michael Steele is the former RNC chairman. Sorry, Christopher. And Michael. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes. A “former” spook. Such reassurance. > > I told you Trump was a shady character and will be brought down by his business deals. The idea that he is an “asset” of the Russian government is a conspiracy theory. Things are not as thrilling as a Hollywood plot, but go ahead and cook. And your theory as to why Putin’s dick has been figuratively in Donald’s mouth for the past three years is what, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/78 "2019-01-28T12:47:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > So your entire argument is scare quotes. And you feel that it’s other people who don’t have a substantive argument? > > Supported by quite a lot of actual evidence. > > Scare quotes and sneering. Yes, you’re really making a compelling case here. No evidence whatsoever, but I don’t count red yarn diagrams. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Sorry, Christopher. And Michael. > > And your theory as to why Putin’s dick has been figuratively in Donald’s mouth for the past three years is what, exactly? It hasn’t, but your homophobia/homoeroticism is telling. > **[On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia | Brookings](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/)** > > What has the administration actually done on Russia? Below is a chronological list of its actions and official statements since January 20, 2017. During that period, the administration has taken 27 actions on Russia. “The Trump administration’s policy actions often seem at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, we have tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia since January 20, 2017. The timeline is updated regularly and includes all official administration actions to date.” [https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/myth-trumps-soft-russia-policy](https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/myth-trumps-soft-russia-policy) “Manifestations of a softer policy have been confined to rhetoric. This verbal aspect was on display again at the July Helsinki summit, where Trump was so effusive in his comments toward his Russian counterpart that the president’s domestic critics responded with vitriolic accusations of treason. In terms of actual policy, though, the Trump administration is at least as uncompromising and confrontational as its predecessor.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/79 "2019-01-28T13:00:06Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No evidence whatsoever, but I don’t count red yarn diagrams. > > It hasn’t, but your homophobia/homoeroticism is telling. > > [On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia | Brookings](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/) > > “The Trump administration’s policy actions often seem at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, we have tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia since January 20, 2017. The timeline is updated regularly and includes all official administration actions to date.” > > [https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/myth-trumps-soft-russia-policy](https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/myth-trumps-soft-russia-policy) > > “Manifestations of a softer policy have been confined to rhetoric. This verbal aspect was on display again at the July Helsinki summit, where Trump was so effusive in his comments toward his Russian counterpart that the president’s domestic critics responded with vitriolic accusations of treason. In terms of actual policy, though, the Trump administration is at least as uncompromising and confrontational as its predecessor.” One of your cites included the indictment of a Russian woman for conspiring to interfere in the 2016 election. Credit is hardly due to the administration for that one. What about sanctions? Donald simply refused to enforce the sanctions imposed by Congress. If the administration is such a stalwart opponent of Russia, why do they resist imposing sanctions and indeed are lifting them against one Russian oligarch? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/80 "2019-01-28T13:06:07Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I still don’t believe that he let his passport expire. No adult does that, especially someone who does travel. He’s not some 21 year old that backpacked around Europe once before he got an adult job. Ahem. I let my passport expire but then I don’t travel outside the US much\* and I’m not being investigated by anyone, AFAIK. I’m going to renew it because my AZ drivers license will not be good for even domestic air travel come next year. \*Last was a trip to Nogales where neither passport nor visa were required by Mexico and – it being before all this Wall bullshit started – a drivers license was sufficient to re-enter the US. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387.md?page=5)