# Roger Stone arrested in early morning FBI raid! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 25, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387 "2019-01-25T12:45:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/81 "2019-01-28T13:10:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > So your entire argument is scare quotes. And you feel that it’s other people who don’t have a substantive argument? > > Supported by quite a lot of actual evidence. > > Scare quotes and sneering. Yes, you’re really making a compelling case here. “Your Honor, while the jury finds the full weight of evidence lies with the Prosecution, we, the Jury, find that the scare quotes and sneering by the defense to be totes rad, and therefore ‘not guilty’ by reason of idiocy. Our idiocy.” ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/82 "2019-01-28T13:30:39Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > \*\*Mueller is milking this case like a true government employee. \*\*He’ll go on for years with this. Until now, the most hilarious flailing in defense of a criminal I’d ever heard was from Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes, who referred to the Wall Street Journal as a “tabloid”. But no longer. Congratulations sir. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/83 "2019-01-28T14:40:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > One of your cites included the indictment of a Russian woman for conspiring to interfere in the 2016 election. Credit is hardly due to the administration for that one. What about sanctions? Donald simply refused to enforce the sanctions imposed by Congress. If the administration is such a stalwart opponent of Russia, why do they resist imposing sanctions and indeed are lifting them against one Russian oligarch? If they aren’t enforcing sanctions then why lift them against one person (out of many). I think your wires are crossed. You singled out one policy you think the administration shouldn’t get “credit” for (Out of very many). NATO expansionism has continued apace. Trump is the Son, of Obama, who was Son of Bush, who was Son of Clinton, refrain. There has been no sea-change towards the deescalation which you fear so much. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/84 "2019-01-28T14:42:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Your Honor, while the jury finds the full weight of evidence lies with the Prosecution, we, the Jury, find that the scare quotes and sneering by the defense to be totes rad, and therefore ‘not guilty’ by reason of idiocy. Our idiocy.” If you are seeing evidence, I suggest an immediate hydration regimen before other symptoms kick in. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/85 "2019-01-28T14:48:10Z")
I’ll wait for the full-throated refutations of the Brookings position, perhaps courtesy of the Young Turks or Lawrence O’Donnell. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/86 "2019-01-28T14:50:00Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > If they aren’t enforcing sanctions then why lift them against one person (out of many). I think your wires are crossed. > > You singled out one policy you think the administration shouldn’t get “credit” for (Out of very many). NATO expansionism has continued apace. Trump is the Son, of Obama, who was Son of Bush, who was Son of Clinton, refrain. There has been no sea-change towards the deescalation which you fear so much. Donald contemplated pulling the US out of NATO. Only a Russian asset would think that way. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/87 "2019-01-28T14:57:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Donald contemplated pulling the US out of NATO. Only a Russian asset would think that way. Lol. Thoughtcrime now? Of course he has expanded NATO and backed Turkey in Syria. He has also demanded NATO be strengthened through increased contributions from members. Welcome to reality. Oh my gosh the contemplations will do us in. We should never contemplate questioning 70 yr Cold War policy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/88 "2019-01-28T15:12:09Z")
More sneering. Still no actual argument. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/89 "2019-01-28T15:15:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > More sneering. Still no actual argument. He has expanded NATO and backed Turkey in Syria. He has also demanded NATO be strengthened through increased contributions from members. Read the cites if you want to educate yourself further. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/90 "2019-01-28T15:17:24Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Lol. Thoughtcrime now? Of course he has expanded NATO and backed Turkey in Syria. He has also demanded NATO be strengthened through increased contributions from members. Welcome to reality. > > Oh my gosh the contemplations will do us in. We should never contemplate questioning 70 yr Cold War policy. Actually the point of haranguing fellow NATO members about their defense spending was to undermine the unity of NATO and weaken it, at Putin’s bidding. NATO has stopped the USSR/Russia dead in its tracks for 70 years. A Russian agent in the White House wants to weaken it. I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/91 "2019-01-28T15:22:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Actually the point of haranguing fellow NATO members about their defense spending was to undermine the unity of NATO and weaken it, at Putin’s bidding. NATO has stopped the USSR/Russia dead in its tracks for 70 years. A Russian agent in the White House wants to weaken it. I wonder why. Yes I understand the spin that has been applied to Trump’s demand just fine. If Trump wanted to weaken NATO, he’d pull out. He hasn’t unfortunately. There are some real strong delusions going on about weakening an alliance by giving it more firepower. How ridiculous has the anti-Trump position stooped when it claims that Putin is demanding more funding to NATO. Just does not make sense in any form or fashion. I guess he also believes that adding countries to NATO also weakens NATO along with backing members like Turkey. If I were you I would evaluate my sources a little better. Stop getting your news from ultra-hawks. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/92 "2019-01-28T15:30:42Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > He has expanded NATO and backed Turkey in Syria. He has also demanded NATO be strengthened through increased contributions from members. Because nothing strengthens NATO like haranguing our allies. Which he’s done in all sorts of ways, politically and economically, driving a wedge between them and the US while simultaneously repeatedly praising Putin and Russia. Yep you sure educated me. He also changed the GOP platform to remove support for Ukraine, dropped or attempted to drop several sanctions against Russia and Russian individuals, rolled back restrictions on asbestos (for which the main source is Russia), handed secure Israeli intelligence to the Russians, and deliberately withheld all records of his private meetings with Putin. Anyway. How about that Roger Stone guy? What a dick. Hey, remember that time he was in contact with that guy who turned out to be a GRU officer about the release of illegally-obtained information? Good times. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/93 "2019-01-28T15:33:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Because nothing strengthens NATO like haranguing our allies. Which he’s done in all sorts of ways, politically and economically, driving a wedge between them and the US while simultaneously repeatedly praising Putin and Russia. Yep you sure educated me. > > He also changed the GOP platform to remove support for Ukraine, dropped or attempted to drop several sanctions against Russia and Russian individuals, rolled back restrictions on asbestos (for which the main source is Russia), handed secure Israeli intelligence to the Russians, and deliberately withheld all records of his private meetings with Putin. > > Anyway. How about that Roger Stone guy? What a dick. Hey, remember that time he was in contact with that guy who turned out to be a GRU officer about the release of illegally-obtained information? Good times. Lol. Another one who thinks more firepower and expansion for NATO is in Russia’s interests. There is nothing to be said to someone like that. Pure delusion. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/94 "2019-01-28T20:21:58Z")
Stone says he was taken down worse than Osama bin Laden. [Roger Stone Says FBI Treated Him Worse Than Osama Bin Laden: 'It's Unconscionable' | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roger-stone-says-fbi-treated-him-worse-than-osama-bin-laden-its-unconscionable_us_5c4f486ee4b0d9f9be67ec08)? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/95 "2019-01-28T20:23:25Z")
That’s not what bin Laden says! … Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/96 "2019-01-29T08:23:52Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Lol. Another one who thinks more firepower and expansion for NATO is in Russia’s interests. There is nothing to be said to someone like that. Pure delusion. Lol. Another one who thinks that Trump’s approach is about actually getting more firepower for NATO rather than about undermining its unity. Pure delusion. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/97 "2019-01-29T15:09:41Z")
I am musing that Putins strategy of splitting up NATO could backfire badly and end up with a far stronger military power on his doorstep rather than in the western hemisphere. The UK, who was always the primary opponent to an EU military is leaving, and Putin has made it very clear that a strong military is necessary. And the entire eastern Europe part of the EU is frightened of Russias military. Long-term this is not necessarily a win for Russia. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/98 "2019-01-30T14:03:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Lol. Another one who thinks that Trump’s approach is about actually getting more firepower for NATO rather than about undermining its unity. Pure delusion. But… but… Dear Leader is our friend. Dear Leader has nothing but good intentions for our country. Trust the Dear Leader. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/99 "2019-01-31T21:32:02Z")
The Proud Boys are serving as Stone’s private bodyguards. > **[The Proud Boys Are Now Roger Stone’s Personal Army](https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-proud-boys-became-roger-stones-personal-army-6)** > > The dirty trickster started his initiation last year. Now the ‘Western chauvinist’ group has his back against Mueller and the media. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/100 "2019-02-01T00:34:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Proud Boys are serving as Stone’s private bodyguards. > [How the Proud Boys Became Roger Stone’s Personal Army](https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-proud-boys-became-roger-stones-personal-army-6) This should be noted when Stone’s defenders claim that the FBI used excessive force arresting him. If you want to be considered a harmless white-collar offender, you shouldn’t associate yourself with the Alt Right Fight Club. Or threaten [“civil war” and “insurrection”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hFRLbFaJEw) in the event Trump is impeached. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387.md?page=6)