# Roger Stone arrested in early morning FBI raid! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 25, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387 "2019-01-25T12:45:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/101 "2019-02-01T01:02:25Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > He has expanded NATO and backed Turkey in Syria. He has also demanded NATO be strengthened through increased contributions from members. > > Read the cites if you want to educate yourself further. The cites I find report that Europe contributes more to NATO (1.8 billion a year) than the US (550 million a year). ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/102 "2019-02-01T11:41:24Z")
They sent more men and arms to arrest Stone than they sent to Benghazhi. Think about that one for a moment. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/103 "2019-02-01T12:24:54Z")
Lol. Don’t let Faux News do all your thinking for ya, Old Man. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/104 "2019-02-01T12:34:44Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > They sent more men and arms to arrest Stone than they sent to Benghazhi. Think about that one for a moment. Perhaps if you’d thought about it for longer than a moment you’d have realized that it’s a nonsensical comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/105 "2019-02-01T12:37:54Z")
“Harmless white-collar offender” is an oxymoron, anyway. They do a lot more damage than the gangbangers do. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/106 "2019-02-01T12:38:42Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > They sent more men and arms to arrest Stone than they sent to Benghazhi. Think about that one for a moment. I thought about this cite-free blather for a half-second and then dismissed it as both uncited and irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/107 "2019-02-01T12:48:43Z")
On the other hand, we should totally have had armed paratroopers on motorcycles jumping out of jumpjets\* at Roger Stone’s house. \*or whatever that whole hilariously stupid discussion was in that Benghazi thread. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/108 "2019-02-01T13:01:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “Harmless white-collar offender” is an oxymoron, anyway. They do a lot more damage than the gangbangers do. Lying to the cops is more harmful than murder and extortion. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/109 "2019-02-01T13:02:54Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > The cites I find report that Europe contributes more to NATO (1.8 billion a year) than the US (550 million a year). Baffled as to why you think that is a relevant statistic. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/110 "2019-02-01T13:03:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Lol. Another one who thinks that Trump’s approach is about actually getting more firepower for NATO rather than about undermining its unity. Pure delusion. I guess Obama wanted to undermine unity as well. He also sought more firepower. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/111 "2019-02-01T13:06:23Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Baffled as to why you think that is a relevant statistic. Trump keeps bitching(lying) on how the US carries the financial load of NATO. He has no understanding of the financial/spending structure of NATO. He thinks the US is owed money from the other members. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/112 "2019-02-01T13:07:10Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > I am musing that Putins strategy of splitting up NATO could backfire badly and end up with a far stronger military power on his doorstep rather than in the western hemisphere. > > The UK, who was always the primary opponent to an EU military is leaving, and Putin has made it very clear that a strong military is necessary. And the entire eastern Europe part of the EU is frightened of Russias military. > > Long-term this is not necessarily a win for Russia. Shit, Obama basically got on one knee to get Europe to go along with Russia sanctions. They have more interest in trading with Russia than going to war, which aligns with Putin’s desires as well. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/113 "2019-02-01T13:09:22Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I guess Obama wanted to undermine unity as well. He also sought more firepower. I like how you think that’s an argument. Guess again. I referred to Trump’s **approach**. Did Obama have the same approach? Did he openly and publicly harangue and insult the other NATO members in order to achieve that end? Was the net effect of Obama’s efforts solely to antagonize those NATO members, as Trump’s has been? [spoiler alert: no, no and no] ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/114 "2019-02-01T13:09:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump keeps bitching(lying) on how the US carries the financial load of NATO. He has no understanding of the financial/spending structure of NATO. He thinks the US is owed money from the other members. Still wondering how that is relevant to my claims. Trump is trying to increase NATO military spending, thereby strengthening it. Does the fact that he doesn’t understand the facts have anything to do with it? Of course not. Serious people understand that Trump is continuing Obama policy in regards to NATO. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/115 "2019-02-01T13:10:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump keeps bitching(lying) on how the US carries the financial load of NATO. He has no understanding of the… …difference between shit and shinola. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/116 "2019-02-01T13:10:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I like how you think that’s an argument. Guess again. > > I referred to Trump’s **approach**. Did Obama have the same approach? Did he openly and publicly harangue and insult the other NATO members in order to achieve that end? Was the net effect of Obama’s efforts solely to antagonize those NATO members, as Trump’s has been? > > [spoiler alert: no, no and no] Of course that has nothing to do with my claims, but go ahead and cook. Actually the net effect has been to actually get other members to plan increases. Very sad actually. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/117 "2019-02-01T13:13:01Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of course that has nothing to do with my claims, but go ahead and cook. Ongoing evasion noted. You mean the increases they had already planned? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/118 "2019-02-01T13:16:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Ongoing evasion noted. > > You mean the increases they had already planned? > **[Opinion | Trump Got From NATO Everything Obama Ever Asked For (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/opinion/editorials/trump-nato-obama.html)** > > But alliance members leave Brussels bruised and confused. Please understand the dynamics between Trump and Putin better than SNL cast members. Pretty please. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/119 "2019-02-01T13:18:51Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > They sent more men and arms to arrest Stone than they sent to Benghazhi. Think about that one for a moment. I want my moment back. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387/120 "2019-02-01T13:20:57Z")
You expect Donald Trump to adopt the rhetorical demeanor of Barack Obama. Less nouveau riche with a Jet Ski and leopard print furniture, more dad jeans and smart cardigans. It is less important that they are eye-to-eye on key policy. This is why they coined the term Trump Derangement Syndrome. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-arrested-in-early-morning-fbi-raid/828387.md?page=7)