# Roger Stone says Koch gave Romney $100 million to name Ryan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620 "2012-08-25T17:08:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/61 "2012-08-27T20:53:35Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > The Kochs work at suppressing science and stopping dissemination of any facts that might be unfavorable to their short term business interests. Wow, these guys are as powerful as the Chinese government…control over the internet and all. I never knew. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/62 "2012-08-27T21:12:36Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Wow, these guys are as powerful as the Chinese government…control over the internet and all. I never knew. :rolleyes: They only need to help elect Republicans (specially the Tea Party kind), virtually all scientists and most of the public do agree that we should be doing more, but the current republican leadership could not care less. The Republican presidential candidate already told us that doing nothing will be the order for the next 4 years, (actually making the situation worse as his solution to our energy problems is to just drill) If their efforts are geared to convince just over 50% of the population to vote for their men. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/63 "2012-08-27T23:01:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > About that, I thought it was funny that one of the recent shows made mince meat of the idea that we should not worry about global warming as it is not taking place, as they claim in their corporate web site. As mentioned, the show made the point that we should be doing something. > > [Extreme Ice | NOVA | PBS](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/extreme-ice.html) > > Once again, while it good to be a philanthropist, sometimes the bad can overwhelm the good that they do. Wouldn’t the fact that they would fund scientists that go against their political desires be classified as a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/64 "2012-08-27T23:40:58Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Wouldn’t the fact that they would fund scientists that go against their political desires be classified as a good thing? Only if they followed their advice. It looks a lot to me like pandering, good pandering though, but pandering in the end. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/65 "2012-08-28T00:20:49Z")
There’s always the chance that they are so ignorant that they firmly believed the results would be different. Just because they are rich, don’t mean they are smart. You can hire smart. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/66 "2012-08-28T01:21:56Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > The point is that you complain about someone putting words into your mouth very shortly after you tried to tell everyone what I think. > > To put it even more plainly, it is hypocritical for you to use a straw man argument, then complain when someone else uses a straw man argument. I’m not at all certain that I was throwing around straw. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Yay, straw! Just for the record, I don’t believe anything that dumbassuri is trying to stuff in my mouth. What straw? You were critically responding to Robot Arm’s comments about lionizing the Koch brothers by asking if the Koch brothers should have created a large business out of altruism and I was pointing out that Robot Arm didn’t seem opposed to the notion of people making money out of self interest but that we shouldn’t pretend they are heroes because they make money. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/67 "2012-08-28T01:24:42Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > The point is that you complain about someone putting words into your mouth very shortly after you tried to tell everyone what I think. > > To put it even more plainly, it is hypocritical for you to use a straw man argument, then complain when someone else uses a straw man argument. I didn’t try to tell everyone what you think or use a strawman argument. I asked you a question. The plain implication of what you were saying (i.e., sneering that the Kochs were enriching themselves and lining their own pockets) was that there is something unwholesome about growing a business for the purpose of making money. You’ve couched it in terms of not being a hero and not being a public benefactor, but it seems clear to me that you think there’s just something fundamentally bad about it. If I’m wrong, fine, I apologize, but that’s the distinct impression I got from your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/68 "2012-08-28T01:26:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What straw? You were critically responding to Robot Arm’s comments about lionizing the Koch brothers by asking if the Koch brothers should have created a large business out of altruism and I was pointing out that Robot Arm didn’t seem opposed to the notion of people making money out of self interest but that we shouldn’t pretend they are heroes because they make money. Wrong. You made me out to be some idol-worshipping rich guy bootlicker, when nothing I’ve said could be read by a reasonable person (which excludes a very large swath of the membership here) to reach that conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/69 "2012-08-28T04:42:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Wrong. You made me out to be some idol-worshipping rich guy bootlicker, when nothing I’ve said could be read by a reasonable person (which excludes a very large swath of the membership here) to reach that conclusion. I think you need to reread what I said in the context of what you were replying to, unless your reply to Robot Arm was supposed to be a non sequitor. I’m sorry if it struck a nerve but I don’t think you worship people with money, I think you may worship their money but I don’t think you worship them. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/70 "2012-08-28T04:58:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I didn’t try to tell everyone what you think or use a strawman argument. I asked you a question. A pretty damn loaded question. > [@](#): > > The plain implication of what you were saying (i.e., sneering that the Kochs were enriching themselves and lining their own pockets) was that there is something unwholesome about growing a business for the purpose of making money. You’ve couched it in terms of not being a hero and not being a public benefactor, but it seems clear to me that you think there’s just something fundamentally bad about it. “Sneering”, “unwholesome”, “fundamentally bad”; are you still just asking questions, or are you genuinely claiming I hold those views? If you are, there’s a term for that. > [@](#): > > If I’m wrong, fine, I apologize, but that’s the distinct impression I got from your posts. You are wrong. I’ll be waiting for a non-conditional apology. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/71 "2012-08-28T17:55:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There’s always the chance that they are so ignorant that they firmly believed the results would be different. Just because they are rich, don’t mean they are smart. You can hire smart. That flies in the face of the conservative mantra though. Rich people are rich because they did everything themselves, from paving the roads to their factories, to hiring the private police and fire protection for safety, and paying the salaries of the consumers that buy their products. They built it all themselves! Most of them even birthed themselves, crawling out of the uterine canal using their own hands! ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/72 "2012-08-29T19:28:02Z")
Actually, conservatives don’t believe that. But you knew that. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620/73 "2012-08-29T20:06:09Z")
Sure they do: > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Business leaders deserve almost 100% of all credit for why America became the most powerful and wealthiest country in the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-stone-says-koch-gave-romney-100-million-to-name-ryan/632620.md?page=3)