# Roger Waters is a tankie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234 "2022-08-07T05:05:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/181 "2023-02-07T08:48:58Z")
David Gilmour weighs in succinctly; > > > pollysamson @PollySamson ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/182 "2023-02-07T09:57:23Z")
Lip-synching? How low, Roger? How low? ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/183 "2023-02-07T11:28:35Z")
I have paid for the same DSOTM so often in my life (vinyl, cassette, CD, another CD) … that I swore to myself that I will not pay anymore for this content. (feel free to read into this what you like ) > [@Smapti](#): > > David Gilmour weighs in succinctly; > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/davidgilmour/status/1622735222562226176) so, fair to say a PF reunion-tour is not in the cards for 2023 😉 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/184 "2023-02-08T03:16:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > David Gilmour weighs in succinctly; > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/davidgilmour/status/1622735222562226176) That shit really, really pisses me off. We ask, _hey, Israel, could you maybe not treat the Palestinian Arabs like vermin?_ and what do we get back but _ **Arrgh, you anti-Semitic asshole, go fuck yourself!!!1!1!!** _ No, the non-Jewish people living there need to be treated like humans. People who object to the bugfuckery of the Israeli government do not _ipso facto_ hate Jews, and it is aggravating that they would use anti-Semitism as cover for their own hatefulness. In that respect, David Gilmour is way off base here. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/185 "2023-02-08T09:03:52Z")
Or maybe he really is an anti-Semite. Unlike David Gilmour, you’ve never actually met the man. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/186 "2023-02-08T11:24:48Z")
The guy who flew a _Magen David_-adorned pig drone at his concerts is an anti-Semite? No! See my shocked face: 😶 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/187 "2023-02-08T14:18:26Z")
“”[I]n a functioning theocracy it is almost inevitable that the symbol of the religion becomes confused with the symbol of the state, in this case the State of Israel, a state that operates apartheid both within its own borders and also in the territories it has occupied and colonized since 1967," wrote Waters. “Like it or not, the Star of David represents Israel and its policies.” So much for “conflating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism”. Roger seems to be [all in](https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2013-08-05/ty-article/roger-waters-im-not-anti-semitic/0000017f-e1e3-d804-ad7f-f1fb6b100000) against [them Evil Jews](http://timesofisrael.com/adl-sadly-concludes-that-roger-waters-is-an-anti-semite/). ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/188 "2023-02-08T14:38:47Z")
Heh, and that statement seems to say that he understands there’s a difference between the two, he’d just rather ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/189 "2023-02-08T14:57:21Z")
I find what you said to be very true and it amazes me that he can look down on western society and yet if someone in China wrote new lyrics to his music he would want his pound of flesh while screaming bloody murder! He’s really good at poking a stick in his own eye. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/190 "2023-02-08T22:09:33Z")
Waters addressed the UN Security Council today (at Russia’s invitation) to tell them that Ukraine provoked Russia into invading them. > **[Wish You Were (not) Here: Pink Floyd's Waters slammed for UN speech](https://www.rawstory.com/wish-you-were-not-here-pink-floyd-s-waters-slammed-for-un-speech/)** > > Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters was denounced by Ukraine Wednesday after he told the United Nations Security Council that Russia's invasion of its neighbor was "not unprovoked."The 79-year-old -- who has sparked controversy with his stance on the... ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/191 "2023-02-08T23:29:06Z")
I like this quote from that story: > [@](#): > > “How sad for his former fans to see him accepting the role of just a brick in the wall, a wall of Russian disinformation and propaganda,” said Sergiy Kyslytsya. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/192 "2023-02-08T23:30:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Waters addressed the UN Security Council today (at Russia’s invitation) to tell them that Ukraine provoked Russia into invading them. “Yes, we couldn’t help ourselves”, Putin said. “Ukraine was wearing this slinky dress and fishnet stockings… They were practically begging us to invade!” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/193 "2023-02-08T23:34:22Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > “Yes, we couldn’t help ourselves”, Putin said. “Ukraine was wearing this slinky dress and fishnet stockings… They were practically begging us to invade!” That’s the defense I’ve been seeing lately for the insurrection. “The police let us in!” “There wasn’t enough security!” “Pelosi should have called the national Guard!” Yes, you had so little free will, you just broke the law. “They were asking for it,” indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/194 "2023-02-08T23:41:50Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > “How sad for his former fans to see him accepting the role of just a brick in the wall, a wall of Russian disinformation and propaganda,” said Sergiy Kyslytsya. I would’ve gone with “How sad for his former fans to see him exchange his walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a cage”. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/195 "2023-02-08T23:51:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Waters had written an open letter that month saying the West should stop providing arms to Kyiv, accusing President Volodymyr Zelensky of allowing “extreme nationalism” in Ukraine and urging him to “put an end to this deadly war.” Yeah, um … what? What does he want Zelenskiy to do, cave? I mean, Waters does make a couple of valid points in his rantings. The war is indeed a massive cash cow for the MIC, which surely cannot be a net positive. And yes, the western media is indisputably a huge bullshit machine that is also feasting upon this kerfuffle.        And yet, the Russian media appears to be even a worse bullshit machine than that of the west. Both sides in this conflict are rife with wrongfulness, but it looks like George is taking up residence on the wronger side. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/196 "2023-02-08T23:55:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I would’ve gone with “How sad for his former fans to see him exchange his walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a cage”. I would have said “…in the bottom of our hearts we felt the final cut.” Oh Roger, Roger, what did you do? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/197 "2023-02-09T00:13:59Z")
His autobiographical song starts _You’ve got to be crazy_ _You’ve got to have a real need_ and ends much later with _Have a good cry_ _As you go down_ _All alone_ _Dragged down by the stone_ it actually ends a while after that, but it is so long, one tends to lose track ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/198 "2023-02-09T01:08:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Have a good cry Drown, not cry. I have to admit, I’ve been wanting to listen to his solo stuff lately. I should quit reading this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/199 "2023-02-09T01:14:44Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Have a good cry Roger, you’re nearly a laugh, but you’re really a cry. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/200 "2023-02-09T01:52:53Z")
I rather like the part where the piano lid breaks Andrew Lloyd Webber’s fingers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234.md?page=11)