# Roger Waters is a tankie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234 "2022-08-07T05:05:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/161 "2022-11-11T14:55:23Z")
Yeah, they would never say it’s his last ever. Even Elton has waffled during his “last” tour this year. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/162 "2022-11-11T22:53:58Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Even Elton has waffled during his “last” tour this year. I gotta say though, I took my wife to one of his farewell concerts last month. It was awesome. He gave a nice speech about thanking everyone for their support over the years and how much he has loved performing for people, but he wants to spend time with his family now. Dude can still perform though. Damn. He sounded as good as ever. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/163 "2022-11-13T03:38:26Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Poster for his current tour: This is a joke, right? Please tell me this is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/164 "2022-11-13T03:42:50Z")
“First ever farewell tour” is some Spinal Tap nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/165 "2022-11-13T04:23:24Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I think The Gunner’s Dream, and The Final Cut are two of their very best songs, Hear, hear! > but the rest of album can be used to line a pig trough as far as I’m concerned. Eh…gonna have call it a hard disagree here. Perhaps I am biased because I “discovered” Pink Floyd for myself through _The Final Cut_ whilst deployed to Iraq. It really “spoke” to me. And it continued to do so as my next assignment was to the Naval Academy, where at times I was expected to “teach.” The little ingrates… tried to whip them into shape, but I had to take care not to let the shield slip. Had to hide, hide, hide behind paranoid eyes. But what happened to the post-war dream??. Anyway, it was only by degrees, and largely in reverse, that I came to appreciate their earlier works. I think I ended on _Atom Heart Mother_. Don’t much care for anything older. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/166 "2022-11-13T17:27:07Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I “discovered” Pink Floyd for myself through _The Final Cut_ whilst deployed to Iraq Wow. Reminds me of a friend who’s first Stones tune he heard was “Undercover of the Night”. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/167 "2022-11-13T19:22:00Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Perhaps I am biased because I “discovered” Pink Floyd for myself through _The Final Cut_ whilst deployed to Iraq. It really “spoke” to me. It really is entirely a matter of personal taste. David Gilmore is a fine vocalist and a brilliant axman, but when it comes to overall musical composition, he lacks Waters’ edge and skill. Waters is (or at least was) a broadly talented musical genius, but if you find his rough voice or brushstrokes of anguish difficult to listen to, you might as well skip everything he has done after _The Wall_ (I cannot tolerate opera, so I will never know whether or not _Ça Ira_ is great). Waters’ work is like a jalfreizie, Gilmour’s is like angel food cake, it is up to you what you like, what you are in the mood for. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/168 "2022-11-13T19:49:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > if you find his rough voice or brushstrokes of anguish difficult to listen to I didn’t find either hard to listen to when combined with the musical brilliance of the other members. I can’t think of a track that relies on all of them combined, except maybe In The Flesh?, but there are plenty that just wouldn’t be the same without the unique style of a couple of them combined. The Final Cut, however, is when he started to become self-indulgent to the point of imbalance, and what I’ve heard from his solo stuff wasn’t better (and furthermore did not feature the rest of the band). And that was _before_ his tankitude became apparent. I’ve relistened to Pink Floyd lately and it just doesn’t feel the same knowing the character behind the voice. Just yesterday I listened to Have A Cigar and wondered what Roy Harper was doing these days. His voice, at least as it appeared on the album, would sound perfect for those songs that need to sound ragged like Roger. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/169 "2022-11-13T23:19:57Z")
I once thought Pink Floyd was a character created by David Bowie for his album _Iggy Pop Stardust and the Pink Floyd Spiders From Mars_ (I thought Iggy Pop was another one). As you can imagine, I did NOT tend to haunt the rock aisles at the Licorice Pizza. What I’m trying to convey is that I really have no frame of reference for evaluating a comparative analysis of the music of Roger Waters and David Gilmour. That said, TIL that jalfreizie is a spicy curry dish considered to have its roots in Bengali culinary traditions. I’m already familiar with Angel food cake. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/170 "2022-11-14T01:33:45Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > TIL that jalfreizie is a spicy curry dish considered to have its roots in Bengali culinary traditions. You need to get out more. Indian/subcontinent food is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/171 "2022-11-14T02:21:42Z")
Oh man do I **love** curry. ❤ 😋 ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/172 "2022-11-14T04:36:29Z")
My eyesight might be going if I’m always misreading that as “Roger Waters is a Twinkie”. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/173 "2022-11-14T13:58:32Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > This is a joke, right? Please tell me this is a joke. > **[2023 European tour - Roger Waters](https://rogerwaters.com/2023-european-tour/)** > > Mar 17 – Lisbon, Portugal – Altice Arena Mar 18 – Lisbon, Portugal – Altice Arena Mar 21 – Barcelona, \[…\] I don’t get it. “If you miss this first farewell tour, remember that next year I’ll be touring with THE WALL FAREWELL TOUR. In '24 I’ll be gearing up for my second farewell tour which starts Dec 31st and continuing for ten consecutive nights at London O2 arena, before heading to…” ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/174 "2022-11-16T03:33:10Z")
It’s our 4th annual going out of business sale! ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/175 "2022-12-10T23:35:03Z")
Yeah, I was listening to **The Wall** the other day, I’d always imagined that later section to be a parody or condemnation of fascism, but now I wonder… ---
**Author:** ![journeyman\_southpaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5e9695/32.png) [@journeyman\_southpaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/journeyman_southpaw)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/176 "2023-02-06T21:56:16Z")
English-language translation of an interview with Waters in the Berliner Zeitung that ran last week. I’ve never heard of the Duran that he speaks of before (and it’s tricky to google without turning up a lot of results for the band Duran Duran) but [mediabiasfactcheck rates it](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/) “a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources, plagiarism, and failed fact checks.” > **[Roger Waters Questioned in Depth About Ukraine, Russia, Israel, U.S.](https://www.pressenza.com/2023/02/roger-waters-questioned-in-depth-about-ukraine-russia-israel-u-s/)** > > By Berliner Zeitung, February 4, 2023 The original at the link above is in German. This translation was provided to World BEYOND War by Roger Waters. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/177 "2023-02-07T02:58:22Z")
he seems of age and/or the mental structure, where … _… **you don’t believe what you see, but you only see what you believe** …_ sad state of affairs … for me, this takes quite a bit of fun out of listening to his ouvre ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/178 "2023-02-07T02:58:24Z")
Just don’t try to search for an article about Duran Duran in the media source Duran. Very difficult. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/179 "2023-02-07T03:27:45Z")
Heh, this is pretty rich and delusional since Putin started this particular war. > [@Roger Waters](#): > > We need to get all our leaders around the table and force them to say: “No more war!”. That would be the point where dialogue can start. Yeahhh, how does your dumb ass plan to make Putin do that and make it stick, Roger? Don’t get your politics straight from the mouths of musicians, kids. I’m a (part-time) musician, and we’re an notoriously unreliable bunch on this front. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/180 "2023-02-07T04:26:43Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > sad state of affairs … for me, this takes quite a bit of fun out of listening to his ouvre Heh, and if you want it to be worse than it already is, he’s got you covered. On his re-recording of DSOTM > [@Roger Waters](#): > > I’m the only one singing my songs on these new recordings, and there are no rock and roll guitar solos. and > [@"Roger Waters according to the article](#): > > The spoken words, superimposed on instrumental pieces like “On The Run” or “The Great Gig in the Sky” and over “Speak To Me”, “Brain Damage” “Any Colour You Like and Money” are meant to clarify his “mantra” So it sounds like he understands why his music succeeded about as much as he understands geopolitics. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234.md?page=10)