# Roger Waters is a tankie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234 "2022-08-07T05:05:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 238
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/238 "2023-02-11T19:27:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This overall situation is deeply fraught, and it is troubling that something the west contributed to (going back many decades) is being addressed the only way we know how, militarily. have you completely forgotten about those 122 or so “ **off-ramps** ” that were offered putin between roughly dic-2021 and late feb-2022??? there was A LOT of activity going on on all levels to keep russia from attacking a neighboring country … **saying it was not so - is just factually wrong**. 30 sec on google: 2 weeks before invasion: > **[Russia-Ukraine crisis: Biden-Putin talks yield no breakthrough](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/12/putin-to-biden-us-failed-to-address-russias-security-concerns)** > > The US president promises a swift response if Russia invades Ukraine while Kremlin denounces US’s ‘peak hysteria’. - **Putin has [slammed](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/1/us-using-ukraine-as-tool-to-contain-russia-putin) Western claims of an imminent military threat, calling the idea “provocative speculation”** that could lead to a conflict in the ex-Soviet country, according to a Russian readout of a call with French President Emmanuel Macron.\* . . . 4 weeks before invasion: > **[U.S. offers Russia 'serious diplomatic path forward' but rejects demand to...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/biden-russia-ukraine-threat-putin-sanctions-invasion-nato-rcna13577)** > > “It remains up to Russia how to decide to respond. We’re ready either way," Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in Washington. _Blinken did not offer specifics about the response, which he said won’t be released publicly, because the U.S. wants to give it the space for diplomacy to succeed and prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. President Joe Biden was “intimately involved” in crafting the letter, which also included input from European allies. Blinken said it contains the concerns of the U.S., Ukraine and its allies that Russia’s actions could undermine security. It also reiterates the Biden administration’s commitment to upholding Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and the “right of states to choose their own security arrangements and alliances.”_ . I am certain you will find literally 100s of similar reports from all kinds of media outlets (and personas who tried to mitigate) in many countries that tried to avoid a russian attack before feb-24th … or you might check out a little known forum: … which started to debate the matter en april 2021: > [@Russia may be about to invade Ukraine. {Russia has invaded as of Feb 24-2022}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-may-be-about-to-invade-ukraine-russia-has-invaded-as-of-feb-24-2022/939699?page=26): > > [Russia Warns of Full-Scale War in Eastern Ukraine, Blames Kyiv](https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-warns-of-full-scale-war-in-eastern-ukraine-blames-kyiv-11617986038) The recent deployment of Russian troops along Ukraine’s border and Moscow’s indication that it could intervene in the event of a full-scale war in eastern Ukraine are dimming hopes for a peaceful resolution of the conflict that has festered for seven years and cost thousands of lives. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday that Russia had the right to move its forces across its territory at its discretion and was… … of course only if you want to find them --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234)._