# Roger Waters is a tankie

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [August 7, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234 "2022-08-07T05:05:41Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 20, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roger-waters-is-a-tankie/969234/334 "2025-07-20T12:06:42Z")

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> [@Babale](#):
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> It requires Hamas to _not have the means to repeat October 7_.

…and they don’t anymore.

> [@Babale](#):
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> I understand why _you_ would have a problem with that, since attempts at “decolonization” like we saw on October 7 are going to be difficult without Hamas.

You keep using the word “decolonization” as if I’ve EVER used that word in the context of this discussion. I don’t recall ever using that at all.

You’ve got a fantasy version of me living in your head. Its very sad.

> [@Babale](#):
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> You’re not being coherent enough to dispute, BanquetBuddy. If I knew what the fuck you were talking about, I’d dispute that torture camps exist.

> **[Gazan detainees tell BBC of torture by IDF and Israel Prison Service](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno)**
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> Interviews with five men held in the months after the Hamas attacks reveal allegations of violence and abuse, adding to reports of misconduct by military and prison staff.

[https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408\_welcome\_to\_hell](https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell)

[https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/05/israel-un-expert-calls-probe-allegations-torture-and-mistreatment-against](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/05/israel-un-expert-calls-probe-allegations-torture-and-mistreatment-against)

> **[Palestinian rights group calls for closure of ‘Israeli torture camps’](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/14/palestinian-rights-group-calls-for-closure-of-israeli-torture-camps)**
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> Al Mezan Center for Human Rights says 2,650 Palestinians taken from Gaza since October remain in Israeli custody.

> **[Torture, abuse and humiliation: Palestinians on Israeli prison ‘hell’](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/05/torture-abuse-and-humiliation-palestinians-on-israeli-prison-hell)**
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> Ex-prisoners report sexual assault and starvation in alleged ‘torture camp’ jails presided over by Itamar Ben-Gvir

> **[Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of...](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/)**
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> Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their use of administrative detention, a form of arbitrary detention, of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank; extended emergency measures that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment...

> **[Israeli whistleblowers detail horror of shadowy detention facility for...](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd)**
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> At a military base that now doubles as a detention center in Israel’s Negev desert, an Israeli working at the facility snapped two photographs of a scene that he says continues to haunt him.

> **[Blindfolded and beaten: Palestinians tell of Israeli jail abuse](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yylgze4ro)**
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> An Israeli rights group says prisons are overwhelmed, amid allegations of physical and mental violence.

> **[Israeli prisons 'operate like torture camps' for Palestinian detainees](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/08/05/israeli-prisons-operate-like-torture-camps-for-palestinian-detainees_6709743_4.html)**
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> A report by the human rights organization B'Tselem has denounced the 'widespread, systematic and prolonged commission of the crime of torture' by the Netanyahu government.

> **[Palestinian prisoners describe systemic abuse in Israel’s jails](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/05/palestinian-prisoners-describe-widespread-abuse-in-israels-jails)**
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> Guardian interviews back up report by rights group B’Tselem, which says prisons should now be labelled ‘torture camps’

> **[Israel: Palestinians from Gaza held in secret detention describe torture -...](https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israel-palestinians-gaza-held-secret-detention-describe-torture-new-testimonies)**
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> We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

> **[Israel: Palestinian Healthcare Workers Tortured](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healthcare-workers-tortured)**
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> Israeli forces have arbitrarily detained Palestinian healthcare workers in Gaza since hostilities began in October 2023, deported them to detention facilities in Israel, and allegedly tortured and ill-treated them.

> [@Babale](#):
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> That’s not what your link says, you lying piece of shit. It says the pictures aren’t “fabricated”, this does not mean that every delusional claim made by the original source is true.

Yes, the Israeli bullets embedded in Palestinian children were verified, after the NYT received hundreds of comments calling the evidence fake.

Because thats all you’ve got. The evidence is simply so overwhelming that all you can do is deny deny deny.

> **[Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo)**
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> Children lying injured in Gaza were picked out and shot by quadcopters, a senior doctor tells MPs.

[https://www.npr.org/2024/11/26/g-s1-35437/israel-sniper-drones-gaza-eyewitnesses](https://www.npr.org/2024/11/26/g-s1-35437/israel-sniper-drones-gaza-eyewitnesses)

> **[Israel’s war on Gaza is deliberately targeting children – new UN report](https://theconversation.com/israels-war-on-gaza-is-deliberately-targeting-children-new-un-report-252398)**
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> Children represent the future. In Gaza that future is being snuffed out.

> **[As a surgeon in Gaza, I witnessed hell visited on children. It shames me that...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/02/surgeon-gaza-children-britain-sniper-fire-drones-labour-arms-israel)**
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> I saw them killed by sniper fire and drones. Why doesn’t Labour condemn it? Why do arms keep flowing in Israel’s direction? asks retired professor of transplant surgery Nizam Mamode

[https://www.npr.org/2024/11/19/nx-s1-5195171/witnesses-say-israel-is-using-sniper-drones-in-gaza-and-theyre-shooting-civilians](https://www.npr.org/2024/11/19/nx-s1-5195171/witnesses-say-israel-is-using-sniper-drones-in-gaza-and-theyre-shooting-civilians)

> **[‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war)**
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> IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

> [@Babale](#):
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> They want their own sources on what is going on?

Because…Israel are lying to them? They don’t trust them?

> [@Babale](#):
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> How fucking delusional do you have to be to think that Israel needs British plane pictures from Gaza? Does Netanyahu also need Starmer when he wants to reach the top shelf?

Responding with questions isn’t answering the question.

> [@Babale](#):
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> In other words, there is wide bipartisan support for Israel’s defense of itself in both countries,

In the history of the world, there has often been support for evil regimes from other countries that are also evil, or others that, for whatever reason, are complicit.

There are also countries out there, like South Africa and others that are members of the Hague Group, that oppose what is Israel are doing. There isn’t universal support for Israels actions. The way you characterise this is incorrect.

And I’d be happy to discuss this further over in the discussion thread. This thread has already been hijacked enough.

ETA to correct a mistake.

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