Sorry. Bad chemistry joke.
I’ve heard “nineteen” as slang for amphetamine or methamphetamine. Possibly the source of the entire ugly “meth?” :eek:
Of course, a fair number of you are going off on a tangent and avoiding who appears to be the point.
The President of the Police fraternity is complaining because public officials have been subjected to the burden of explaining themselves and being held accountable for something they did under color of law and in line of duty which resulted in, or substantially contributed to, the death of a citizen.
Whether the police behavior was right or wrong, it cannot be fairly argued that the officers’ conduct should not be subject to review and investigation. Is there any public officer who should not be held accountable for official conduct? Are police officers exempt from accountability? Is the Fraternity President arguing for a free ride, and if so is that argument viable? Don’t tell me that the dead guy, in your opinion based on video clips, had it coming. Don’t tell me that he died of heart failure unrelated to being belabored with night sticks. Tell me, instead, why the police officers who were involved should not be questioned, and warned before questioning that the incident was one from which criminal charges could arise, and questioned separately to keep them from concocting an agreed exculpatory story.
to clarify. i stated in no uncertain terms that the cops were not trying to kill the man. If they were they wouldn’t have called the EMTs and if they had know the guy was near death im sure they would’ve handled it differently.
im referring to Webster’s disregard for human life. someone died from what would probably constitute manslaughter had a civilian done it and all he cares about is that some police officers had to be interrogated over it. Things like that piss me off. It reminds me of how police officers handle police chases, they will chase a criminal through red lights at 90 mph over a victimless traffic infraction (which could be solved in other ways other than a high speed pursuit), showing how little regard they have for the public.
What the hell? I made a nice long post responding to you Spavined and it never showed up in the thread. Well, I’m not typing it again, but you should search google news and see what Webster actually said. He simply said that it should not be treated as a criminal investigation. He didn’t say they shouldn’t be investigated.
Placing the officers on leave is standard, but the way the officers were treated was unprofessional, according to Cincinnati Fraternal Order of Police President Roger Webster.
The officers were read their rights, allowed one phone call, and permitted to talk only to their attorneys and a minister, according to Webster.
“The people who witnessed this offense were sent on their way, and our officers were sat down for eight hours,” he said. “Then they’re interviewed. That’s wrong. That’s ridiculous.”
The FOP asked the police chief to give the officers a 48-hour cooling-off period, but Webster said the request was denied.
“And you wonder why they don’t want to work,” he said. “That’s exactly why they don’t want to work, because they’re treated worse than the criminals they arrest, and that’s crap.”
Sounds like a common interrogation tactic. trying to mentally destabalize a suspect by cutting him off from the outside world so they will be less resistant to interrogation is not unnatural.
from the Cincinnati Post
Sorry to say, I think this is the correct way to handle the investigation. The 48 hour stuff suggests nothing more than a delay so that dirty cops can get their story straight.
“Dirty” cops?:mad:
Not if that person happened to live in Someset Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania.
At least, not if your name is James Liermann
Here’s the settlement that the DOJ had with CPD. Some of you might want to peruse it and see what is normal in a use of force investigation, because what the FOP guy said that the officers went through tends to contradict what the policy is supposed to be.
I thought the manager of White Castle called the EMT’s, who then called the cops when big dude awaked and got violent.
I saw the video, and it looked to me that the cops were using only enough force to defend themselves and subdue the big-un. There are police officers that are violent bullies looking for a fight, but these guys are not them.
The NAACP needs to pick and choose its battles better.
It’s quite simple, really. The gentleman in question had just finished reasding Wolves of the Calla and was trying to explain to the nice policemen some of the finer points of Ka-tet.
Hypothetical dirty cops, not these officers specifically.
IMO the officers were read ther rights and interrogated because it could have led to criminal charges. The FOP guy is their union guy and he has to jump up and holler because his membership expects him to take a strong lead in their defense. You may not like it but that is just reality.
Correct, the EMT’s called the cops but they later disappeared. The cops then had to get more EMT’s.
I heard that the cameras on the police cars automatically shut off when the engine is turned off to save from battery drain. The officers carry remotes on their belts to turn it on if they feel they need a tape recording.
The news said that’s what happened in this case: the officers turned the cameras on when the incident turned violet.
If they were intending to do something wrong, why would they have done that?
I saw no head blows in the video. My husband, who works in a prison, watched the video and said that, legally, they did nothing wrong: they tried to subdue a subject according to proceedure. The man was just so high he didn’t seem to feel the blows.
There were no internal injuries.
I don’t think it was excessive. They did what they had to do.