# Rogue One - seen it thread. (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722 "2016-12-14T21:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/201 "2016-12-20T14:13:59Z")
Responses to some criticisms: - I think it’s entirely possible for there to be an organized rebel (oxymoron!) group and a kinda-sorta terrorist version. No matter if it’s in a war or an IT company, if there’s a board that needs to make decisions there will be people who are mad about the decision and want to do their own thing. This was both Saw and the Rogue group. The Rebel board decided to stand pat, these guys said “Screw this, I’m doing it anyway.” - If we’re going to believe the ending to R1 leads right up to ANH, then why would Leia need to stop at Tatooine at all? Shouldn’t she original plan for her to just jet off to Alderaan and give the plans to her father? What would having Obi-Wan there really accomplish? I think once she escaped from the battle she thought “Well I can’t go home with the evidence…maybe I’ll go to a (seemingly) random planet and palm it off as a diplomatic mission for whatever reason”. It’s not much of a theory, and I don’t really believe it myself, but it’s all I got. I really want to know the original idea for the movie, before the reshoots. Just how violent WAS this thing? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/202 "2016-12-20T14:56:06Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Responses to some criticisms: > > - I think it’s entirely possible for there to be an organized rebel (oxymoron!) group and a kinda-sorta terrorist version. No matter if it’s in a war or an IT company, if there’s a board that needs to make decisions there will be people who are mad about the decision and want to do their own thing. This was both Saw and the Rogue group. The Rebel board decided to stand pat, these guys said “Screw this, I’m doing it anyway.” > > - If we’re going to believe the ending to R1 leads right up to ANH, then why would Leia need to stop at Tatooine at all? Shouldn’t she original plan for her to just jet off to Alderaan and give the plans to her father? What would having Obi-Wan there really accomplish? I think once she escaped from the battle she thought “Well I can’t go home with the evidence…maybe I’ll go to a (seemingly) random planet and palm it off as a diplomatic mission for whatever reason”. It’s not much of a theory, and I don’t really believe it myself, but it’s all I got. > > I really want to know the original idea for the movie, before the reshoots. Just how violent WAS this thing? As for Tatooine, it was clear to me that Bail and Leia considered recruiting Obi-Wan as a very high priority – possibly even as high as getting the Death Star plans back to Yavin IV. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/203 "2016-12-20T15:17:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As for Tatooine, it was clear to me that Bail and Leia considered recruiting Obi-Wan as a very high priority – possibly even as high as getting the Death Star plans back to Yavin IV. Yes, Mon Mothma and Bail specifically talked about bringing Bail’s Jedi friend back into play, and Bail said he’d give the mission to someone he trusts with his life. And I absolutely believe Leia is cocky enough to continue with her mission to get Obi-Wan, even though she’s also got the sole copy of the Death Star plans on her ship. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/204 "2016-12-20T15:25:57Z")
What the name “Rebel Alliance” has always hinted at and what the show “Rebels” seems to be building towards and this movie also supports is that the “Alliance” represents a group of groups that were all fighting the Empire individually banding together. It feels like this was a new development at the time of this movie. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/205 "2016-12-20T15:54:17Z")
You have an Imperial Flagship on your ass. What options do you really have? To me getting the Death Star plans in the hands of a Jedi Master sounds like a good one, better than leading them back to the Rebels’ base. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/206 "2016-12-20T17:07:52Z")
I thought Tarkin looked okay, but it was weird seeing him and knowing he’s dead. Did they expect the audience to not notice? Did his relatives agree to it? Did they get paid? Can/should movie makers resurrect and zombify deceased actors? Leia was faker looking, and kinda creepy. I’d have been okay if they’d used new actors. Please tell me the Han Solo movie isn’t going to be a CGI’d Han. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/207 "2016-12-20T19:28:17Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Please tell me the Han Solo movie isn’t going to be a CGI’d Han. It’s not. Young Han is going to be played by [Alden Ehrenheich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alden_Ehrenreich). ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/208 "2016-12-20T20:52:24Z")
I hear the next film will be about the imperial defector getting Ursas message to Saw. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/209 "2016-12-20T21:01:59Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > I hear the next film will be about the imperial defector getting Ursas message to Saw. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/210 "2016-12-20T21:47:10Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > It’s not. Young Han is going to be played by [Alden Ehrenheich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alden_Ehrenreich). He looks like every other generic good-looking almost 30 year old playing a teenager Hollywood actor. Young Han should probably look more like Young Harrison Ford from around the same age: [http://theredlist.com/media/database/muses/icon/cinematic\_men/1980/harrison-ford/001-harrison-ford-theredlist.jpg](http://theredlist.com/media/database/muses/icon/cinematic_men/1980/harrison-ford/001-harrison-ford-theredlist.jpg) > [@Bienville](#): > > Am I the only one who had never heard the naval use of the term corvette and had only ever thought of a Chevy Corvette as a corvette and therefore thought calling small spaceships corvettes was a really dumb idea? The naval term pre-dates the car by a couple hundred years. It’s like a explained to someone in another thread. A “star destroyer” is so named because it is a “destroyer” class warship that travels between the stars. Not because it destroys stars. Although that kind of reminds me of a Doctor Who episode where he explains to his companion that they don’t call it a “space restaurant” or “space hat”. It’s just a “restaurant” or a “hat”. > [@Bienville](#): > > And for a species that look like sea creatures to have one called a Hammerhead (another sea creature) Corvette seemed (sure, based in part on my ignorance of the term) very very silly? Why? It’s not any sillier than land creatures like humans naming a car named after another land creature like the “Jaguar” or “Lynx”. Although it does seem kind of silly referring to the ship by it’s generic class/type, rather than it’s name or call sign. Like saying “tell that big cruiser to put fire on that star destroyer over there”. Kind of like someone wanted to make sure everyone knew what toy to ask for. I kind of feel like the new Star Wars films have a bit too much of ships crashing into stuff without getting damaged. Like the Falcon bouncing off everything at high speed in The Force Awakens or the rebel transport bouncing off Darth Vader’s star destroyer in Rogue One. Star Destroyer or not, I kind of feel like you don’t want hundreds of tons of spaceship crashing into your ship at orbital speeds as you decelerate from light speed. Remember the Executor lost it’s entire bridge and went careening into the Death Star II in Jedi from a fighter smashing into it. These ships aren’t indestructible. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/211 "2016-12-20T22:18:16Z")
On the other hand, a Hammerhead is a species. I guess it’s a species nickname because they’re actually Ithorians but nobody is naming starship classes after a human nickname like Ugly Bags of Mostly Water Class or Hairless Ape Class. I’m being a little silly here and getting a little too deep than I want to get thinking about this. With the Star Destroyer wrecking into the other ships, it was a badass moment. I don’t think the rebel ships were worth much after that. With the Hammerhead, is it established that the ship is actually reinforced at the front or anything? Seems like a crazy idea to intentionally ram another ship like that but it makes for an interesting battle. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/212 "2016-12-20T22:43:12Z")
The estate of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher were both thanked in the credits. The credits say that Ingvild Deila played Princess Leia. Was she just a stand in so they could CGI Carries face on her? Brian ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/213 "2016-12-20T23:00:51Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Although it does seem kind of silly referring to the ship by it’s generic class/type, rather than it’s name or call sign. Like saying “tell that big cruiser to put fire on that star destroyer over there”. Kind of like someone wanted to make sure everyone knew what toy to ask for. In this case, though, it makes sense: this isn’t a pre-existing fleet with an established list of ships and clear command structure. This is, “Get every ship we can find and get it to Scarif _now_!” And we know from the scene earlier that the Alliance really is a collection of disparate planets and races that are still figuring out how to work together. Admiral Fishperson likely had never worked with that corvette at all, and certainly hasn’t had time to learn the names of the all the ships and crews that are suddenly under his command for that particular battle. > [@](#): > > I kind of feel like the new Star Wars films have a bit too much of ships crashing into stuff without getting damaged. Like the Falcon bouncing off everything at high speed in The Force Awakens or the rebel transport bouncing off Darth Vader’s star destroyer in Rogue One. Star Destroyer or not, I kind of feel like you don’t want hundreds of tons of spaceship crashing into your ship at orbital speeds as you decelerate from light speed. Remember the Executor lost it’s entire bridge and went careening into the Death Star II in Jedi from a fighter smashing into it. These ships aren’t indestructible. The Executor had also just lost its shields after taking sustained fire from several Rebel capital ships - and the transport that smears itself across the bow of the SD in _Rogue One_ probably wasn’t in much better shape. The SD, on the other hand, has full shields. Well, probably a lot less than “full” after wiping out that transport, but at that point in the battle, it hardly mattered anymore. > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > On the other hand, a Hammerhead is a species. I guess it’s a species nickname because they’re actually Ithorians but nobody is naming starship classes after a human nickname like Ugly Bags of Mostly Water Class or Hairless Ape Class. I’m being a little silly here and getting a little too deep than I want to get thinking about this. Are Ithorians ever called Hammerheads in-universe? Or was that just what they slapped on the toy before they’d gotten around to writing twelve-volume biographies for every character that appears on screen for half a second? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/214 "2016-12-20T23:03:00Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And what is it with evil fortresses and lava? That planet was the same planet where Anakin Skywalker was left to die at the bank of the lava by Obi-Wan. So Darth (nee Skywalker) built his castle on the place he was defeated and nearly killed. The guy has issues. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/215 "2016-12-20T23:05:52Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > The credits say that Ingvild Deila played Princess Leia. Was she just a stand in so they could CGI Carries face on her? > > Brian Yes, and [Guy Henry](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0377844/?ref_=nv_sr_1) played Tarkin. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/216 "2016-12-20T23:13:39Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > That planet was the same planet where Anakin Skywalker was left to die at the bank of the lava by Obi-Wan. So Darth (nee Skywalker) built his castle on the place he was defeated and nearly killed. The guy has issues. I could see the Emperor ordering Vader to have his castle there - what better way to maintain the rage? ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/217 "2016-12-20T23:24:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Are Ithorians ever called Hammerheads in-universe? Or was that just what they slapped on the toy before they’d gotten around to writing twelve-volume biographies for every character that appears on screen for half a second? Not in the movies but in the expanded media for sure. Though all that stuff is locked away in the “doesn’t really exist anymore” vault. > **[Hammerhead](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hammerhead)** > > A Hammerhead was a nickname for a male Ithorian.\[1\] The High Republic (2023) 9 Star Wars: Card Trader (Card: Momaw Nadon - Cantina Patron - Base Series 1) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/218 "2016-12-21T00:23:03Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > It’s not. Young Han is going to be played by [Alden Ehrenheich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alden_Ehrenreich). Well… “Don’t worry everyone, Tarkin is going to be played by an actor named Guy Henry.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/219 "2016-12-21T00:26:20Z")
> [@](#): > > The estate of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher were both thanked in the credits. The \*\*\*estate \*\*\*of Carrie Fisher? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/220 "2016-12-21T00:34:00Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > The estate of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher were both thanked in the credits. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The \*\*\*estate \*\*\*of Carrie Fisher? No, the estate of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher. Some years ago, Cushing and Fisher merged into a single life form that sadly perished, leaving behind a sizeable estate. The current actress “Carrie Fisher” is an advanced automaton created to appear in The Force Awakens. Or, there should have been a comma in N9IWP’s sentence somewhere. I will also point out that both of my companions to the movie had no idea that Cushing has been dead for 20 years, and didn’t notice anything odd about his portrayal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722.md?page=12)