# Rogue One - seen it thread. (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722 "2016-12-14T21:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/381 "2016-12-31T02:27:08Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Option 1: She miraculously survives thanks to The Force or a timely shuttle or something. Next film has her and Captain Mustache on some daring mission between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. > > Option 2: She had to have gotten up to something between escaping Krennic’s troops in the beginning of the film and falling in with the Alliance years later. A film about her last mission with Saw Guerrera could be interesting. > > Option 3: A slapstick comedy where her Force Ghost harasses Tarkin incessantly for the duration of his time between Rogue One and his demise in A New Hope. I like option one better, but change it to Return of the Jedi, or just before and have her and Manny Bothans scramble around for the plans for DS 2 ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/382 "2016-12-31T03:41:23Z")
I uncovered an Easter Egg. Krennic executes scientists - in other words: _many boffins died_. [QUOTE=The Dictionary] **boffin** _noun_ British informal - a person engaged in scientific or technical research [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Barking\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Dog)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/383 "2016-12-31T07:44:37Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Which one was responsible for developing the long open aired tube that a giant green ray travels down, complete with control station set on a non shielded platform? No green ray proof windows or railings on the staircase or anything. > > He probably deserved to be shot. Who was responsible for the shutter at the top of the archive that pointlessly irises open and shut that Jyn has to climb through? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/384 "2016-12-31T14:42:57Z")
The two picture deal was probably a marketing smokescreen to hide the ending. If she does come back it would be pretty lame from a dramatic standpoint (and real world standpoint). The whole point is their deaths inspired the Rebellion to band tighter and fight. They named their elite squadron after them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/385 "2016-12-31T15:40:55Z")
She may pop up in the Han Solo prequel, which will be set before the events of R1. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/386 "2016-12-31T16:39:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > She may pop up in the Han Solo prequel, which will be set before the events of R1. Jeez, I hope not. I don’t want Han anywhere near the rebels. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/387 "2016-12-31T17:44:04Z")
I liked it a lot. Much, much better than the absurdly derivative and fanservicey _The Force Awakens._ One of the best things about it that I haven’t seen talked about much was the reprogrammed Imperial droid. That guy is frickin’ droll. My main criticism would be of the CGI on Tarkin and Leia. In ten or twenty years they should probably go back and fix that–although that doesn’t address all the thorny ethical issues involved (discussed in [this NYT article](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/movies/how-rogue-one-brought-back-grand-moff-tarkin.html), and the ostensible subject of the 2013 film [The Congress](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film))). > [@GuanoLad](#): > > Almost none of the scenes from the trailers are actually in the final movie. I’ve heard a lot of talk along these lines, but when I went to look at trailers now on YouTube (I never watch them before seeing a movie as I hate spoilers), almost all of it looked quite familiar. > [@AK84](#): > > Way way way too much. They were lovers in the same way Han and Luke and Anakin and Obi Wan were. While I wouldn’t say it’s anywhere close to a sure thing that they are lovers, I think you’re overcorrecting “way way way too much” in the opposite direction. What did we see that was inconsistent with that interpretation? > [@Raguleader](#): > > The Tantine IV being at the battle raises a few questions, especially since C3PO and R2 are still on the ground when the fleet is taking off. Presumably Leia’s ship took off later. And I agree that her joining in the battle on a whim is perfectly in character not only for her, but for the Alliance as we see it in this film, since literally the entire battle kicked off because some of the Rebels went all Leeroy Jenkins and others used that as an impetus to jump in after them. LOL! Leeroy Jenkins indeed. Love this quip. > [@Raguleader](#): > > I also liked how the Empire and the Rebel Alliance weren’t the black and white monolithic opposing forces we saw in the OT. Our main character is the daughter of an important Imperial engineer, with her whole family having the appropriate Galactic Imperial English accents and even an implied long relationship with Krennic which seemed to include social wine drinking visits. Presumably there are quite a few Imperials who are generally decent people who either don’t realize the full scope of how bad things are, or simply lack the courage or inspiration to do anything about it. > > The Rebels, meanwhile, bicker and argue in their council meeting, with no less than three strategies suggested for what to do about the Death Star (open rebellion, scatter the fleets and hope for the best, surrender and hope for mercy) and no consensus. Another faction of Rebels are indicated to be such extremists that the Alliance will have nothing to do with them. Quite a few of the Rebels are stated to be right bastards, and it’s likely that many of them have quite a bit in common with more Imperials than they’d like to think about. Let’s not forget the Rebel spy straight up murdering his contact at the beginning of the movie, after the poor guy gave him good info. I thought that (and stuff like it) is what he was thinking of when later on he lamented all the ethically shady things they have had to do (which reminded me of Apollo’s speech in BSG: “We make our own laws now; our own justice. And we’ve been pretty creative in finding ways to let people off the hook for everything from theft to murder. And we’ve had to be, because…because we’re not a civilization anymore. We are a gang, and we are on the run, and we have to fight to survive.”). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/388 "2016-12-31T17:48:08Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Jeez, I hope not. I don’t want Han anywhere near the rebels. Jyn was a criminal before the start of the movie, after she parted ways with Saw. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/389 "2016-12-31T18:35:04Z")
Indeed, she might have been a rebel when she ran with Saw Guerrera before, but she was never a part of the Alliance until partway into this film. And in between she was basically just keeping her head down and/or building up an arrest record. I think there’s a pretty significant gap of time where she could run into Han when she was, if you’ll pardon the pun, running solo. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/390 "2017-01-01T07:51:04Z")
Just saw Rogue One today and what a save for the franchise IMO. Wholly original and yet still very Star Wars. It supports and enhances the original Episode 4 while adding an adult dimension to the series only hinted at in previous episodes. The mediocre Force Awakens just clumsily exploited nostalgia for the original trilogy without adding anything at all. The first twenty or thirty minutes of Rogue One were challenging because they were throwing new characters and locations at us so fast that it was hard to absorb. This is a shame, because every bit of that exposition was vital towards appreciating the rest of the movie. I read some reviews afterwards and I see that the main complaint is thin secondary characters. I agree, but I think the characterization is actually there if one meets the challenge and just doesn’t blink during the first part of the movie. The rest is fantastic. It turns into a war movie rather than an action or heist movie, and this turn is entirely in keeping with the first words of the original Star Wars crawl: _It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet._ The writers of Rogue One did a much better job of realizing a compelling story from these three sentences of source material than JJ Abrams did with the three whole movies that he could have built upon had he chosen to. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/391 "2017-01-01T08:36:36Z")
> [@Barking\_Dog](#): > > Who was responsible for the shutter at the top of the archive that pointlessly irises open and shut that Jyn has to climb through? It reminded me of the scene in Galaxy Quest with the “chompers.” To quote Sigourney Weaver’s character, Gwen DeMarco: “What is this thing? There’s no useful purpose for there to be a bunch of chompy, crushy things in the middle of a hallway!” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/392 "2017-01-01T08:47:16Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > She may pop up in the Han Solo prequel, which will be set before the events of R1. But, my understanding is that the Han Solo movie will be an origin story for Han and Chewbacca, and thus set a number of years before Episode IV (and, thus, Rogue One, as well). Aiden Ehrenreich (playing Han) and Donald Glover (playing Lando) are both somewhat younger than Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams were, when they were making the original films. If that’s the case, Jyn would need to also be somewhat younger than she appears in Rogue One, and I think the character is only in her early 20s in that film, as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/393 "2017-01-01T13:19:36Z")
I actually kind of wondered about her age. I thought she said at one point that she ran with Saw until she was 16, and at another that it’s been 15 years since she’d seen him. But there’s no way she looks like she’s in her 30s. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/394 "2017-01-01T13:33:48Z")
According to the [official canon-keeper](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jyn_Erso#Behind_the_scenes) of Lucasfilm, Jyn Erso is around 22 in _Rogue One_. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/395 "2017-01-01T14:09:32Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > My main criticism would be of the CGI on Tarkin and Leia. In ten or twenty years they should probably go back and fix that– Or even sooner. Maybe some Anti-Lucas will release a Special Edition with the CGI replaced by real actors wearing prosthetic makeup. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/396 "2017-01-01T14:39:26Z")
Was looking to get a second viewing of this today or tomorrow and all the reasonable seats are taken for the showings I wanted. Pretty impressive for a movie a few weeks old. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/397 "2017-01-01T16:03:33Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > The first twenty or thirty minutes of Rogue One were challenging because they were throwing new characters and locations at us so fast that it was hard to absorb. This is a shame, because every bit of that exposition was vital towards appreciating the rest of the movie. I read some reviews afterwards and I see that the main complaint is thin secondary characters. I agree, but I think the characterization is actually there if one meets the challenge and just doesn’t blink during the first part of the movie. Hmm. Maybe. That kind of characterization–“blink and you’ll miss it”–doesn’t work for me. I think I need some slow, leisurely scenes that let me get to know characters when they’re not in crisis mode. My all-time favorite action movie is **Heat** , and my favorite scene from it involves [a cop, a robber, a diner, and a couple cups of coffee](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNyAgN48FQo). The only action in the scene is a quiet conversation. I’m not saying Rogue 1 should have had a scene this good, because goddamn, not many movies do. But scenes LIKE this one make it a lot easier for me to care about the characters, and later to think that any tragedies that come along are actual tragedies. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/398 "2017-01-01T17:50:57Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > But, my understanding is that the Han Solo movie will be an origin story for Han and Chewbacca, and thus set a number of years before Episode IV (and, thus, Rogue One, as well). Aiden Ehrenreich (playing Han) and Donald Glover (playing Lando) are both somewhat younger than Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams were, when they were making the original films. > > If that’s the case, Jyn would need to also be somewhat younger than she appears in Rogue One, and I think the character is only in her early 20s in that film, as it is. [Yep:](http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/feature/a784083/star-wars-han-solo-movie-actor-release-date-director-and-everything-you-need-to-know/) Lawrence Kasdan has given us some vague hints as to the shape of the story. “It will not be like here is where he was born and this is how he was raised,” he told Empire. “I think what it will be is what was he like ten years earlier, you know maybe a little earlier you’ll get a glimpse but… what formed the person we meet in the cantina? It is not so much about his specific history. It is about what makes a person like that? He’s not full formed in the cantina!” > [@Chronos](#): > > I actually kind of wondered about her age. I thought she said at one point that she ran with Saw until she was 16, and at another that it’s been 15 years since she’d seen him. But there’s no way she looks like she’s in her 30s. I think (and I might be wrong) that she said the day he took her out of that hidey-hole in the cave had been fifteen years ago. If she’s 22 then that’d be about right. Saw was the only character I thought was poorly developed, in that so much was hinted about him at first and then they seemed to change their minds abut him being important to the plot and just blew him up instead. I imagine there are plenty of deleted scenes with him - hope some get put on the home release of it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/399 "2017-01-01T17:59:28Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Jyn was a criminal before the start of the movie, after she parted ways with Saw. And it’s a huge freaking galaxy. There is absolutely no reason to have their paths cross. ---
**Author:** ![Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrogance_ex_machina/32/192_2.png) [@Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogance_Ex_Machina)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/400 "2017-01-01T18:16:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I actually kind of wondered about her age. I thought she said at one point that she ran with Saw until she was 16, and at another that it’s been 15 years since she’d seen him. But there’s no way she looks like she’s in her 30s. Felicity Jones is in her 30s though (born in 1983). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722.md?page=21)