# Rogue One - seen it thread. (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722 "2016-12-14T21:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/481 "2017-01-13T14:29:39Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeesh. Reads like it was written by an 11-year-old. Congratulations on the high-grade of 11-year-olds you know. Rune Haako: But… you’re a Jedi! Darth Vader: Yes, my butt is a Jedi. Do you want to smell my butt? San Hill: The Farts is strong with this one! Darth Vader: Do not underestimate the power of the Farts. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/482 "2017-01-20T21:02:40Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I have to admit that the second Jyn crept out to that tiny, suspended platform to access what would appear to be a critical control (which you’d think would be a BIT more accessible if it’s that crucial), my first thought was “Ah…standard Imperial architecture…” And I liked how when the cable guy told them the had to flip the master switch, the film cuts to a shot of a control panel with a HUGE cartoon-y power switch on it like a neon sign saying, “THIS IS THE SWITCH!” I almost shouted, “Not…THE THIRD SWITCH!” when I saw it. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/483 "2017-01-20T21:12:03Z")
I wonder when it comes out on blu-ray. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/484 "2017-01-24T22:56:35Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I may have missed mention of it in this thread, and if so, I apologize. > > Did you notice that the death star plans are still “wrong”? That they show the super laser on the equator, as it was in the plans seen in the original (one, true) Star Wars? > > I think that was a nice touch. Not like retconning Klingon heads. Just ignore it and move on. > > (fanwank: the plans they stole aren’t the current plans. They are like five revisions old. It’s just lucky the exhaust port hadn’t been removed or changed in the mean time.) So, I [just read something](http://io9.gizmodo.com/youve-been-wrong-about-where-the-death-star-trench-was-1791582520) that answers this “error,” and it’s something that I’d never picked up on before, and yet is completely obvious even in the original movie: The trench with the exhaust port is not the equatorial trench. The [equatorial trench](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/72/DeathStar1-SWE.png/revision/latest?cb=20150121020639) is much, much wider than the exhaust port trench. The equator is a visible indent on the DS that’s visible from some distance away. The [trench](https://boccobsblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/death-star-battle-trench1.jpg?w=450) is only a little wider than a single-pilot fighter. The equator has lights all over it. The trench does not. Also, [we see a close up of the equator when the Falcon is captured](http://starwarsvisualizer.ff0000.com/media//images/600px/ep4/EP4_ILM_117.jpg) and it looks nothing like the trench. The exhaust trench is actually a longitudinal line that bisects the big laser dish - just like in the graphic General Dodonna shows during the briefing. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/485 "2017-01-24T23:42:48Z")
Interesting. That wasn’t the error described though. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/486 "2017-01-24T23:50:34Z")
Is it not? What is the error being described, then? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/487 "2017-01-24T23:55:04Z")
I had always known it wasn’t the equatorial trench, for largely those reasons (also the exhaust port is at the _end_ of the trench, which is something the equator does not have). But there was no further information available beyond my instincts. Nice to see it clarified at last. I would also be very happy if we have no more trenches in future Star Wars movies, please. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/488 "2017-01-25T00:25:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Interesting. That wasn’t the error described though. Ah, hell. I thought that this was evidence that the Death Star plans animation was actually correct - the line bisecting the dish wasn’t the equator, but the trench they attack. But I looked up the actual animation, and it (also!) [very clearly shows that the trench is different from the equator.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_d-9xHZoGo) So, you’re right, totally doesn’t refer to the described error. Bah. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/489 "2017-01-25T00:57:36Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I had always known it wasn’t the equatorial trench, for largely those reasons (also the exhaust port is at the _end_ of the trench, which is something the equator does not have). But there was no further information available beyond my instincts. Nice to see it clarified at last. > > I would also be very happy if we have no more trenches in future Star Wars movies, please. Good luck with that. I think they are going to keep recycling everything over and over until they see some kind of evidence that’s not the safest way to make billions and billions of dollars in profits. Fans should have drawn a line by giving \*The Force Awakens \*poor word of mouth; by doing just the opposite, they have encouraged future chapters to be extremely derivative. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/490 "2017-05-15T04:14:37Z")
I finally saw it today. It was okay. I did find myself losing a lot of interest fairly early on, once it was revealed that the message was about destroying the death star: I correctly deduced from this that all the characters would die (since, though I’m not a big fan of the movie series, I at least know that the death star was _not_ destroyed in A New Hope and these characters aren’t in other movies), and it took a long time for that to actually happen. It might have been better if it was 30 minutes shorter. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/491 "2017-05-15T11:40:22Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > since, though I’m not a big fan of the movie series, I at least know that the death star was _not_ destroyed in A New Hope Um… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/492 "2017-05-15T14:46:48Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Um… I think he means the death star was not destroyed at the time a new hope begins. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/493 "2017-05-15T17:36:54Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Um… LOL, I was wondering who was going to tackle that one. Although to be fair, in the three movies that occur after this one chronologically, two of the three feature Death Stars getting destroyed (a big reason I don’t like those two movies much). So it’s understandable how a casual fan might not be clear on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/494 "2017-05-16T02:48:19Z")
And now three of the movies have death stars being destroyed. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/495 "2017-05-16T03:14:51Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > And now three of the movies have death stars being destroyed. 😛 Yes, I was too ambiguous in my wording: by “this one”, I meant the original _Star Wars_ (or “A New Hope”, as it was retconned to be titled) that had just been mentioned. But indeed: of the four movies that are on the timeline after _Rogue One_, three end with Death Stars getting blowed up real good. Which is a sad statement: as late as the early Eighties, it still looked like there would be an original plot in each movie. ---
**Author:** ![Peanut\_Gallery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/838e76/32.png) [@Peanut\_Gallery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanut_Gallery)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/496 "2017-05-16T19:57:08Z")
I finally watched at home, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Since I was watching at home, I watched it twice back to back, and it was better the second day. I liked the dark edge to it. It took the second viewing to really appreciate that we are introduced to our “hero” Cassien with a scene where he basically murders his essential covert informant to escape. Without being spoiled I was fully expecting everyone to die the whole time. I had not ever thought through Disney politics, it just seemed that in the larger arc, these people would be part of the other films if they had not died. (I suppose that counts as being spoiled, eh?) I wish they could retcon a mention of their glory into the other films. (Luke pulling the trigger: “This is for Rogue One!” OK, that is cheese. Is a ship name too much to ask for sacrificing All for the cause?) The CGI characters were obvious and I didn’t flinch. I guess I’ve watched enough half-animated stuff to take it in stride by now. Now this being the SDMB… my stupid nitpick… OMG Darth Vader is so bad ass! but as mentioned up-thread … it’s still just stupid Anakin in that suit. He slowly marches into that hallway, slashing and burning, and … what’s this?!.. force-pulling weapons out of people’s hands??, and even tossing a peon against the ceiling for fun… STOP GOOFING OFF AND FORCE PULL THE FUCKING DATA CARD DIPSHIT! :smack: For that matter, force-pull the peon carrying it!! I guess that might have altered the story line huh? ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/497 "2017-05-16T20:58:37Z")
> [@Peanut\_Gallery](#): > > OMG Darth Vader is so bad ass! but as mentioned up-thread … it’s still just stupid Anakin in that suit. He slowly marches into that hallway, slashing and burning, and … what’s this?!.. force-pulling weapons out of people’s hands??, and even tossing a peon against the ceiling for fun… STOP GOOFING OFF AND FORCE PULL THE FUCKING DATA CARD DIPSHIT! :smack: For that matter, force-pull the peon carrying it!! > > I guess that might have altered the story line huh? Anakin was always a showboat with a lack of foresight. Vader is Anakin with scars (emotional and physical) and a respirator. Marvel’s new Star Wars comics basically elaborate that after the destruction of the Death Star, the Emperor brought Vader in for a “Come to Jesus” talk and Vader took a hit to his standing in the Empire. That, along with discovering that his son is alive (and responsible for the Death Star’s destruction) caused him to get his Sith together and get serious about his job. Basically, he spent the last 20 years being the guy from Office Space, but with superpowers. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/498 "2017-05-16T21:34:39Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Marvel’s new Star Wars comics basically elaborate that after the destruction of the Death Star, the Emperor brought Vader in for a “Come to Jesus” talk and Vader took a hit to his standing in the Empire. That’s weird, because in “Empire”, it came across like his standing had \*improved \*a bit without Tarkin above him in the military hierarchy. He’s commanding a fleet, ordering admirals around–and of course, Force-choking them and replacing them without needing anyone else’s approval. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/499 "2017-05-16T21:42:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That’s weird, because in “Empire”, it came across like his standing had \*improved \*a bit without Tarkin above him in the military hierarchy. He’s commanding a fleet, ordering admirals around–and of course, Force-choking them and replacing them without needing anyone else’s approval. That’s evacuee the comic is about how he regains the Emperor’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722/500 "2017-05-17T01:30:41Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think he means the death star was not destroyed at the time a new hope begins. She, but yes, that’s what I meant: the death star was still intact at the beginning of A New Hope. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rogue-one-seen-it-thread-open-spoilers/774722.md?page=24)