# Rome 07/01/28 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 28, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884 "2007-01-28T23:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/41 "2007-01-29T22:27:25Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I often have the same problem for shows that come on later in the evening-- when the wine bottle is almost empty. 🙂 Did you watch last season? If not, rent the DVDs. It was phenomenal. I’ve watched the whole thing thru at least twice, and kept picking up important things I’d missed the first time. It took me quite a few episodes before I could keep all the characters straight. [/QUOTE] I’m ashamed to say that I did watch last season, and that I’ve seen every episode. My cognition just isn’t geared toward these kinds of relations. My eyes glaze over reading Numbers and things like that too. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/42 "2007-01-29T22:28:04Z")
[QUOTE=friedo] What’s the deal with the two Jewish brothers? They appeared breifly in this episode and the last one but they don’t seem to be doing anything. [/QUOTE] It’s pretty clear that the guy from Jerusalem is up to something. Timon (the local guy) has been a staple character from the beginning. His brother probably had to flee from Jerusalem because he was involved in acts of sedition, or he’s in Rome as part of an effort to foment unrest back home. Stay tuned-- the writers are setting this up nicely (witness the suspicious meeting with the “saffron merchant” in this episode). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/43 "2007-01-29T22:28:53Z")
It certainly looks like we’re heading straight into Antony vs Octavian…but that’s not right, is it? Doesn’t Antony have to dispatch Brutus and form the 2nd Triumvirate first? Hard to picture at this point. For those who haven’t checked their history… What’s \*really \* hard to picture is Antony marrying Octavia. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/44 "2007-01-29T22:50:56Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] It certainly looks like we’re heading straight into Antony vs Octavian…but that’s not right, is it? Doesn’t Antony have to dispatch Brutus and form the 2nd Triumvirate first? Hard to picture at this point. For those who haven’t checked their history.. What’s \*really \* hard to picture is Antony marrying Octavia. [/QUOTE] Are they supposed to be married already? I don’t think they are, but they sure act as if they were. BTW, if anyone wants a quick history lesson, just read the wikipedia article on Octavian. You may get spoilers in the process, but it demonstrates that the show has been pretty good about historical accuracy so far, even if they’ve played fast and lose with people’s motivations. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/45 "2007-01-29T22:52:23Z")
**John** , aren’t you thinking Atia here, not Octavia? ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/46 "2007-01-29T23:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] For those who haven’t checked their history.. What’s \*really \* hard to picture is Antony marrying Octavia. [/QUOTE] Not so hard to imagine, really. What purpose would it serve Antony to marry Atia? Put aside any of our own culture’s ideas about marrying for love - in upper class Roman society, you marry for power and heirs. Fattia is looking a little past her prime. Marrying her daughter works nicely: you get the power and the fertile younger woman, plus still boinkin’ momma, conceivably all in one handy household. And tell me that wouldn’t be appealing to Antony! Also, I seem to recall a similar setup in _I, Claudius_, which _Rome_ is certainly borrowing from. Also, did anyone else notice what seemed to be a dirty look from Antony as Atia poured olive oil onto her bread? Clearly he’s a little dissatisfied with her figure, which could work to my point above. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/47 "2007-01-29T23:28:10Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] **John** , aren’t you thinking Atia here, not Octavia? [/QUOTE] Where? I’m not following you. ---
**Author:** ![Bigang120](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/db5fbb/32.png) [@Bigang120](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bigang120)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/48 "2007-01-29T23:39:29Z")
[QUOTE=drm] It looks like perhaps Atia HAS gained a little weight, but I still happen to find her disturbingly hot. I really hope she doesn’t eat the stew; it would make me very sad if she ate the stew. [/QUOTE] Put it in a spoiler tag though it really isn’t much of one. If IMDB can be believed Atia has a few more weeks left. Otherwise we’re looking at a lot of flashbacks. “Rome” … Atia of the Julii (21 episodes, 2005-2007) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/49 "2007-01-29T23:42:28Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Where? I’m not following you. [/QUOTE] Atia and Antony are acting like they are married. I’ve seen very little to indicate that Octavia and Antony were behaving that way. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/50 "2007-01-30T00:01:46Z")
So, the assasin ostensibly has the job of mucking out the stables and, as soon as he gets the chance, pops into the kitchen, scoops some stuff out of a bowl and licks it off his finger? And the kitchen girl follows suit? Gross. Speaking of kitchen girls, was that supposed to be the german slut? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/51 "2007-01-30T00:18:11Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] **John** , aren’t you thinking Atia here, not Octavia? [/QUOTE] No. It’s Octavia. Historically that’s what happened. That’s why **John** said it was hard to believe right now (in the context of the show). ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/52 "2007-01-30T00:38:28Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] No. It’s Octavia. Historically that’s what happened. That’s why **John** said it was hard to believe right now (in the context of the show). [/QUOTE] Yeah, but **silenus** was referring to John’s comment that Antony and Octavia are acting like a married couple. Like silenus, I don’t see that _at all_. Antony and _Atia_ are the ones acting like a married couple. Fattia…snerk. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/53 "2007-01-30T00:47:02Z")
Exactly. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/54 "2007-01-30T00:49:31Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] Yeah, but **silenus** was referring to John’s comment that Antony and Octavia are acting like a married couple. Like silenus, I don’t see that _at all_. Antony and _Atia_ are the ones acting like a married couple. [/QUOTE] Right, I think **John** just got slightly confused. The marriage in discussion… … happened three years after the events currently unfolding, after Antony’s third wife, who had rebelled against Octavian in Antony’s absense, had died in exile. Atia will be three years in her grave at that point. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/55 "2007-01-30T01:11:42Z")
[QUOTE=UncleRojelio] So, the assasin ostensibly has the job of mucking out the stables and, as soon as he gets the chance, pops into the kitchen, scoops some stuff out of a bowl and licks it off his finger? And the kitchen girl follows suit? Gross. Speaking of kitchen girls, was that supposed to be the german slut? [/QUOTE] In that episode they showed a naked girl sprawled on the bed. I took her to be the German slut, and she was somewhat thinner than this cook. I imagine that a household of this importance might have several slaves in the kitchen. And more than one might be a slut. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/56 "2007-01-30T01:29:06Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Atia and Antony are acting like they are married. I’ve seen very little to indicate that Octavia and Antony were behaving that way. [/QUOTE] Yes, I was talking about.. Atia and Antony. She’s ready to move to Macedonia with him. My bad. I read the post I was responding to incorrectly. It’s all these damn spoilers, for what is, after all, an historical event! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/57 "2007-01-30T01:42:07Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I agree. We had already seen him like that earlier, and his voice is pretty distinctive. I did not recognize him in the previews when they showed that scene very quickly, though. Besides the lack of hetero-sex and female nakedness, there was indeed a lot of man-sex and a lot of male nakedness in this episode. [/QUOTE] I know! It was like watching OZ with togas. Nothing will compare to last season’s “penis with a bow.” That was hilarious! I could just picture the convo of the actor and his agent- “The good news is there’s a part for you on a TV show, the bad news is you have to appear naked with a bow around your penis.” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/58 "2007-01-30T02:26:11Z")
Picture the assassin and _his_ agent: Agent: It’s a great part. Assassin: What’re my first lines? A: Something about…ummm…“I’ll suck your cock.” As: What’s my second scene? A: Uhhhh…you get buggered in the stables by the slavemaster. As: HBO, you say? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/59 "2007-01-30T05:07:38Z")
Atia and Servilia are headed toward an extraordinarily bloody and graphic fight. Not unlike the fight between the Major and Dan in “Deadwood”. Except supposedly more graphic. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884/60 "2007-01-30T05:08:06Z")
Which wife of Antony bore him a daughter at least? He had at least one Roman daughter(Antonia of course). She married and bore two sons and a daughter. One of those sons was the Claudius of _I, Claudius_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-07-01-28-spoilers/389884.md?page=4)