# Rome IV KAL. MART. MMDCCLX A.U.C (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 12, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541 "2007-03-12T01:02:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/1 "2007-03-12T01:02:21Z")
So how will Atia react to Octavian’s family values campaign? It’d be nice if Octavian decides to propagandize his mother as a model Roman matron 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/2 "2007-03-12T02:10:31Z")
That hour went by pretty fast – so much going on! Some good lines too. “Rufus has slaves to fit every budget”. I don’t understand why Vorenus doesn’t sit down with Vorena and tell her how her mother died. Does he think it’s beneath him to explain himself to a woman? Octavian and Antony do it all the time. Or does he feel guilty because he was considering killing Niobe? I don’t think he would have gone through with it, but I must be wrong. Nice watching the big guys at each others’ throats – Octavian and his bunch and then Pullo and his gang war. Oh, and HBO, way to go – some people haven’t seen every episode of The Sopranos. The promo with all the notable deaths is a bit of a spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/3 "2007-03-12T02:13:03Z")
By now, people should have realized that Pullo is one bad mofo, and not to be fucked with. “What’s the matter, Memmio? Cat got your tongue?” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/4 "2007-03-12T02:19:04Z")
Octavian has himself a fetish (this is the first hint of anything sexual from him) and he seems to have found the female version of himself. I am a little confused, wouldn’t Anthony be Octavia’s guardian instead of Octavian 😕 ? Or is Octavia married _sine manus_? As to why Vorenus wouldn’t explain to Vorena Major how Niobe died; he’s much more uptight than either Anthony or Octavian. And she wouldn’t believe him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/5 "2007-03-12T02:24:16Z")
The wedding they depicted sure looked like a conferratio manus. Ah well, poetic license and all that. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/6 "2007-03-12T02:30:10Z")
“She killed herself before i could kill her” isn’t much of an explanation anyways. Sure, chances are Vorenus would have seen reason before stabbing her, but he WAS coming for her with a knife when she jumped. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/7 "2007-03-12T02:32:46Z")
I missed the name of the girl Octavian is about to marry, it wouldn’t be Livia Drusilla by any chance would it? > [@](#): > > Octavian has himself a fetish (this is the first hint of anything sexual from him) He had sex with his sister in season one, did he not? ---
**Author:** ![MLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@MLS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MLS)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/8 "2007-03-12T02:35:10Z")
Mostly to be on the subscribe list, but that Pullo is one hellova somethin’. One minute comforting the young lady (he does have a way with the ladies, doesn’t he?) the next the total barbarian. Reminded me of the fight in the street in Deadwood with the eye-gouging. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/9 "2007-03-12T02:36:12Z")
[QUOTE=drm] I missed the name of the girl Octavian is about to marry, it wouldn’t be Livia Drusilla by any chance would it? He had sex with his sister in season one, did he not? [/QUOTE] I meant grown-up Octavian :smack: . Sure the first one had sex with his sister (after practicing on a prostitute), but the new Octavian hasn’t even shown any skin. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/10 "2007-03-12T02:37:13Z")
I forget – did Octavian’s first wife die, or were they divorced? He never has a child with Livia, so his daughter Julia is from his first marriage. Cleopatra’s outfit at the end was the height of elegant simplicity. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/11 "2007-03-12T02:38:45Z")
[QUOTE=Baldwin] I forget – did Octavian’s first wife die, or were they divorced? He never has a child with Livia, so his daughter Julia is from his first marriage. Cleopatra’s outfit at the end was the height of elegant simplicity. [/QUOTE] He divorced Scribonia the same day she had their daughter, Julia, just to keep things legitimate. Then pretty much turned around and married Livia, who was several months pregnant at the time with Drusus. Suetonius: “The lucky ones have children in just three months.” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/12 "2007-03-12T02:40:48Z")
[QUOTE=Baldwin] …Cleopatra’s outfit at the end was the height of elegant simplicity. [/QUOTE] I really can’t wait to see Anthony go naked! :smack: Native, I mean native :D. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/13 "2007-03-12T02:41:11Z")
I used to remember all the genealogical relationships between the characters. Octavia had at least one child by Antony, a girl, because that girl was the mother of Cladius(as in _I, Claudius_). That Antonia was married to Drusus, who was Tiberius brother, or was it half-brother?). Any place to go to sort it all out? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/14 "2007-03-12T02:48:35Z")
[QUOTE=Baldwin] Cleopatra’s outfit at the end was the height of elegant simplicity. [/QUOTE] And hot, too! It did demonstrate that she didn’t shave **all** of her body. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Bruin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Queen\_Bruin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Bruin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/15 "2007-03-12T02:49:39Z")
Baker: try the [DIR](http://www.roman-emperors.org/jclaud1.htm). Its emphasis is on emperors but Octavia is represented as well. Octavia was by all accounts a fabulous stepmother to Antony’s other children as well, and she continued to look after them even after Antony’s death. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/16 "2007-03-12T02:51:52Z")
Once again they slander the good name of Agrippa. He was **not** a plebe, Atia! He is of noble blood. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/17 "2007-03-12T02:53:39Z")
[http://www.historyinfilm.com/claudius/famtree2.htm](http://www.historyinfilm.com/claudius/famtree2.htm) That might help. Claudius is the son of Nero Claudius Drusus and Antionia Minor (Antonia Jr. on the tree). Nero Claudius Drusus is the son of Tiberius Claudius Nero and Livia Drusilla. Antonia Minor is the daughter of Mark Antony and Octavia. So Claudius was both Augustus’s step-grandson and great nephew. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/18 "2007-03-12T03:00:17Z")
[QUOTE=Queen Bruin] Baker: try the [DIR](http://www.roman-emperors.org/jclaud1.htm). Its emphasis is on emperors but Octavia is represented as well. Octavia was by all accounts a fabulous stepmother to Antony’s other children as well, and she continued to look after them even after Antony’s death. [/QUOTE] Thanks! Whoa, it was practically incest all around, huh? Cousins marrying and all. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/19 "2007-03-12T03:00:31Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Once again they slander the good name of Agrippa. He was **not** a plebe, Atia! He is of noble blood. [/QUOTE] Marcus Agrippa was a plebian, and his family was equestrian, not senatorial. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541/20 "2007-03-12T03:05:42Z")
Correct, I admit. But Atia makes him sound like a peasant. Of course, that’s just the way they are portraying Atia, I suppose. But it was Agrippa that left Rome a city of marble instead of brick, not Octavian. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rome-iv-kal-mart-mmdcclx-a-u-c-spoilers/395541.md?page=2)