# Romney makes appeal to Americans disillusioned with Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 31, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225 "2012-08-31T03:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/1 "2012-08-31T03:47:56Z")
[http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-campaign-idUSBRE87P01H20120831](http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-campaign-idUSBRE87P01H20120831) > [@](#): > > (Reuters) - Republican Mitt Romney urged voters on Thursday to help him rebuild the U.S. economy and create millions of new jobs, asking them to overcome their disappointment in President Barack Obama and join him in restoring the promise of America. > > In a high-stakes speech accepting the Republican presidential nomination, Romney said he would work to unify a divided country that believed Obama’s lofty campaign promises but had lost hope they would be fulfilled. > > “What is needed in our country today is not complicated or profound. It doesn’t take a special government commission to tell us what America needs. What America needs is jobs. Lots of jobs,” Romney said. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/2 "2012-08-31T03:59:53Z")
For as long as I can remember every politician, every campaign, both sides of the aisle has promised they know how to create jobs! jobs! jobs! I’ve become thoroughly convinced that not a one of them have a single clue as how to do it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/3 "2012-08-31T04:20:30Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > For as long as I can remember every politician, every campaign, both sides of the aisle has promised they know how to create jobs! jobs! jobs! > I’ve become thoroughly convinced that not a one of them have a single clue as how to do it. [Some economists](http://www.amazon.com/End-This-Depression-Paul-Krugman/dp/0393088774) do. But not enough pols will listen to them. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/4 "2012-08-31T04:28:19Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > For as long as I can remember every politician, every campaign, both sides of the aisle has promised they know how to create jobs! jobs! jobs! > I’ve become thoroughly convinced that not a one of them have a single clue as how to do it. Yeah…But, I think Mitt’s claim is still probably unique in the extent to which it is based on utter ideological fantasy, devoid of even a marginal connection to the science of economics and the reality of the economic circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/5 "2012-08-31T04:29:34Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Some economists](http://www.amazon.com/End-This-Depression-Paul-Krugman/dp/0393088774) do. But not enough pols will listen to them. Good! I wouldn’t follow Paul Krugman through the front door of my own fucking house!!! ---
**Author:** ![Untoward\_Parable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Untoward\_Parable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Untoward_Parable)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/6 "2012-08-31T04:35:56Z")
doesnt really mater if Im disillusioned with Obama (Im not since I understood exactly what he was when I voted for him or rather voted against Mccain/idiot pantslady). Romney and the Republican party that would in large part control him are so much worse that I have to vote for Obama again. So so so much worse. You want to reform the political system so we can get someone up there that represents what most Americans want and I’ll even join the effort and canvass for them. Until then all these attacks on Obama are pretty much besides the point coming from a candidate and party who want nothing more than to sell us out to multinational corporations and create a wealth aristocracy of family inheritances. Obama is in money’s pockets too. Just not as badly and by the moneyed interests who believe that an economic contract between the domestic populations and themselves needs to be slightly more civil to keep their necks off the block. ---
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/7 "2012-08-31T04:47:47Z")
> [@](#): > > doesnt really mater if Im disillusioned with Obama (Im not since I understood exactly what he was when I voted for him or rather voted against Mccain/idiot pantslady). Romney and the Republican party that would in large part control him are so much worse that I have to vote for Obama again. So so so much worse. But President Obama and his Keynesian policies have failed to get the economy back on track. The unemployment rate is over 8% and economic growth is slow at 1.5%. The CBO says there could be a recession early next year. ---
**Author:** ![Untoward\_Parable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Untoward\_Parable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Untoward_Parable)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/8 "2012-08-31T04:49:32Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > But President Obama and his Keynesian policies have failed to get the economy back on track. > > The unemployment rate is over 8% and economic growth is slow at 1.5%. The CBO says there could be a recession early next year. Doesn’t change the fact that Romney would be much worse. ---
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/9 "2012-08-31T04:57:31Z")
> [@Untoward\_Parable](#): > > Doesn’t change the fact that Romney would be much worse. Romney would be different. Not worse. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/10 "2012-08-31T04:58:29Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > But President Obama and his Keynesian policies have failed to get the economy back on track. What Keynesian policies? The stimulus including the biggest tax cut ever was a far cry from what was needed to fill the slowdown gap. Look up Paul Krugman. What we got was Keynes-lite, and it wasn’t enough. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/11 "2012-08-31T05:03:02Z")
> [@Untoward\_Parable](#): > > Doesn’t change the fact that Romney would be much worse. Says who? Gray’s Sports Almanac? Show me how you know this. We’ll meet at the track. _ **ANY** _ track. Your insight of the future intrigues me and has potential!!! What, exactly, is Obama going to do in the next 4 years that will make the last 4 years convince me that the next 4 years will be better under him? ---
**Author:** ![Untoward\_Parable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Untoward\_Parable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Untoward_Parable)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/12 "2012-08-31T05:10:32Z")
The only way the Republican philosophy on economics works is if you replace the world markets with a tic tac toe grid and they get to take two consecutive turns in every contest. (That is how they would like it to work for them and their super-wealthy entrenched families vs everyone else of course, and does to a large extent already.) (I’ll give you points for a sweet BTTF ref of course) ---
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/13 "2012-08-31T05:12:48Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > What Keynesian policies? The stimulus including the biggest tax cut ever was a far cry from what was needed to fill the slowdown gap. Look up Paul Krugman. What we got was Keynes-lite, and it wasn’t enough. The federal government has been running budget deficits of over $1 trillion for past 3 fiscal years probably another trillion dollar deficit in FY 2013. Is this not Keynesian-ism? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/14 "2012-08-31T05:26:55Z")
For good or ill, we have a consumer economy. We are our own best customers. If the consumer does not have money, we have no economy. If you have to borrow money to hire people so they have money, you do it. Because if you have no economy, you couldn’t pay down the deficit if it were a dollar. ---
**Author:** ![Untoward\_Parable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Untoward\_Parable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Untoward_Parable)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/15 "2012-08-31T05:31:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For good or ill, we have a consumer economy. We are our own best customers. If the consumer does not have money, we have no economy. If you have to borrow money to hire people so they have money, you do it. Because if you have no economy, you couldn’t pay down the deficit if it were a dollar. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/16 "2012-08-31T05:55:16Z")
And we’re gonna have to fix shit anyway, right? The materials we have to buy to fix shit aren’t going to get cheaper. If we have some recovery, those materials will become more costly. And the people we need to hire will have other jobs. At least, we hope so, yes? Which means that hiring them will be more expensive. This way our skilled workers keep their skills up to date, keep their tools from rusting. Make and spend money. Projects end, they have an economy to got back to, and find work. A gamble? Sure. But if the bet is five dollars, and the odds two to one against, its not good. Unless the payoff is five hundred dollars. Then, if you don’t bet against the odds, you are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/17 "2012-08-31T05:57:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For good or ill, we have a consumer economy. We are our own best customers. If the consumer does not have money, we have no economy. If you have to borrow money to hire people so they have money, you do it. Because if you have no economy, you couldn’t pay down the deficit if it were a dollar. That is why we need more tax cuts which is what Romney is proposing. Consumers will have more money spend which will get the economy moving. A healthy and growing economy will produce more government revenue which will reduce the deficit. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/18 "2012-08-31T06:06:26Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > That is why we need more tax cuts which is what Romney is proposing. Consumers will have more money spend which will get the economy moving. A healthy and growing economy will produce more government revenue which will reduce the deficit. It’s funny… you wrote “consumers” but every time I read it, I hear “rich folks”. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/19 "2012-08-31T06:11:41Z")
When you give tax breaks to rich folks, they spend money on yachts, golf courses, wine cellars, and art collectibles. When you give tax breaks to poor folks, they buy groceries, gasoline, medications, and pay rents. Guess which class of spending actually benefits the economy? (Hint: how many yacht repairmen do you know?) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Niply\_Elder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@The\_Niply\_Elder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Niply_Elder)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225/20 "2012-08-31T06:12:19Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > That is why we need more tax cuts which is what Romney is proposing. Consumers will have more money spend which will get the economy moving. A healthy and growing economy will produce more government revenue which will reduce the deficit. I think you should get your terminology straight. A tax cut that increases government revenues is an oxymoron by definition. Think about it. Ok now that you thought about it, let me inform you that a big drop in government tax rates tends to cause inflation, something that a yuppie on a salary like me can afford because i can negotiate raises. Old folks on fixed pensions and retirement funds arent so lucky. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/romney-makes-appeal-to-americans-disillusioned-with-obama/633225.md?page=2)