# Ron Paul: Honest or Nuts? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul-honest-or-nuts/596249 "2011-09-14T03:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 101
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul-honest-or-nuts/596249/101 "2011-09-18T01:38:07Z")
> [@So Will The Sky Fall If The UN Declare Palestine a State?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-will-the-sky-fall-if-the-un-declare-palestine-a-state/595182/95): > > I said over 100,000, not 100,000. 100,000 is an unreasonably low-estimation for arab civilians dead before 9/11. No, you said hundreds of thousands, implying at least 200,000. You really have a hard time keeping things straight; this, Arab/Muslim, decades before 2001 with years after 2003, did OBL claim responsibility for 9/11 or didn’t he, which thread you’re posting to. > [@](#): > > This is not even counting Israel, which by the pro-Israeli’s own arguments is a US base and outpost in the middle east. I don’t know why you’re throwing off the idea that Israel is a proxy state of the US… that’s what the US claims it is… their number 1 ally in the middle east. And the difference between ally and proxy state. > [@](#): > > Nobody has proved they used dirty bombs in Vietnam yet, but with the amount of horrific birth defects, cancer, disfigured and deformed people in Vietnam, it would be very hard to believe that there weren’t dirty bombs used. The UN are still trying to deny that they are using dirty bombs in Libya. And now you show that you don’t know the difference between a [dirty bomb](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb) and [depleted uranium munitions](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium). Kudos for your ‘proof’ that the US dropped dirty bombs on Vietnam -“its very hard to believe that they weren’t”. Actually no, it’s very hard to believe that they did. I’d actually say impossible to believe without some evidence, of which you have produced none. > [@](#): > > At first humans fought each other with their hands or wrestling. There was nothing wrong with that sometimes. Later they moved on to swords, and even often guns. > > At least there was a bit of honour, a bit of courage involved in fighting sword to sword with someone, or being involved in a duel or a shoot-out. The people involved knew the risks, they took their chances. They didn’t kill men, women or innocent children. I see your understanding of the history of warfare is on par with the rest of your knowledge of history. No innocent civilians were killed? I guess Tacitus was wrong when he said of Carthage that Rome made a desert and called it peace, Timur didn’t sack Delhi, Japan didn’t create a mound of ears from slain Koreans in 1597, the Thirty Years War didn’t kill 1/3 of the population of the Germanic States… damn, history books are going to need an awful lot of rewriting. > [@](#): > > There is no justifiable defence to say that 9/11 was worse than the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians the US killed abroad then and now. I can think of one. The US didn’t kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Arab civilians in the decades before 9/11. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul-honest-or-nuts/596249)._