# Ron Paul **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427 "2012-04-01T00:46:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/21 "2012-04-01T14:02:59Z")
> [@Jasper\_Kent](#): > > Aren’t the lizard people controlled by The Illuminati? Or am I thinking of the Freemasons? You are thinking whatever our Illizardati Jewmason overlords want you to think. Keep it up. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/22 "2012-04-01T14:11:01Z")
> [@TelecasterLPGTop](#): > > Electoral fraud is rife in the US. Ron Paul is way ahead in all the straw polls yet the corporate controlled media are ignoring him. It’s bizarre and criminal yet the sleeping mainstream simply believe their corrupt media which is controlled by a corrupt State which is leading the US down the road to Fascism. They are terrified of Ron Paul and his followers for they have woken up to a system that was infiltrated by foreign banking/corporate interests over the last 50 years with the purpose of bringing down the USA, destroying the constitution and replacing it all with a Fascist State.:mad: On one hand, we have the theory that there’s a massive conspiracy to prevent Ron Paul from being elected President. On the other hand, we could maybe propose a theory that it’s easy for a small but enthusiastic fan base to influence a straw poll that no one cares much about anyway, but it’s a heck of a lot harder to get more than that small fan base to vote for your wacky candidate in a more general election. I’m going to have to ponder which of those theories makes more sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/23 "2012-04-01T15:17:58Z")
It’s the corn, I tell you. It’s the corn!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/24 "2012-04-01T16:04:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s the corn, I tell you. It’s the corn!! :eek: Cogito ergot sum trip . . . ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/25 "2012-04-01T16:47:26Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHh4_fFtIns) Simple question for hollier-than-thou: is embassy in Baghdad a defence spending or a waste? > **[Embassy of the United States, Baghdad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_the_United_States,_Baghdad)** > > The Embassy of the United States of America in Baghdad is the diplomatic mission of the United States of America in the Republic of Iraq. Ambassador Alina Romanowski is currently the chief of mission. > At 104 acres (42 ha), it is the largest embassy in the world; it is nearly as large as Vatican City. The embassy complex is about five times the size of the U.S. Embassy in Yerevan, which is the second-largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad, as well as over ten times the size of the U.S. Embassy... Notables: $0.75 Billion to build and employs 16,000 people. However, something tells me it’s all water under Tigris River bridge now :o 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/26 "2012-04-01T17:02:17Z")
> [@TelecasterLPGTop](#): > > Ron Paul is way ahead in all the straw polls yet the corporate controlled media are ignoring him. How is it that the Fascists have been unable to control the straw polls? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/27 "2012-04-01T17:36:07Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > How is it that the Fascists have been unable to control the straw polls? Fascists are allergic to straw. It’s their one weakness. The Russians built tanks out of straw and won WWII in the wheat fields of the Ukraine. Don’t you remember their stirring slogan: Победите соломенных мужчин Or, Defeat the straw men! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/28 "2012-04-01T18:35:48Z")
> [@TelecasterLPGTop](#): > > They are terrified of Ron Paul and his followers for they have woken up to a system that was infiltrated by foreign banking/corporate interests over the last 50 years with the purpose of bringing down the USA, destroying the constitution and replacing it all with a Fascist State.:mad: > [@General Mills](#): > > “Foreign bankers,” eh? Why not just go ahead and say, “Jews?” It’s not like there’s anyone out there who doesn’t know what you’re trying to say, anyway. So, a Jewish Fascist State. Interesting concept. Heil Momma! ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/29 "2012-04-01T18:57:11Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Besides, the guy is working hand in glove with Romney anyway. [Discussion](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=638537). Oh a discussion on SDMB is your cite? Powerful stuff considering not a single piece of evidence is provided in that thread to support your theory. Maybe you also failed to read the post in this very thread that suggests supporters of Santorum and supporters of Paul are cooperating in WA to deny Romney delegates. If half-baked conspiracy theories are your style, I wonder if you and the OP could find some common interests. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/30 "2012-04-01T18:58:32Z")
> [@Jasper\_Kent](#): > > Aren’t the lizard people controlled by The Illuminati? Or am I thinking of the Freemasons? It’s lizards all the way down. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/31 "2012-04-01T19:07:34Z")
> [@TelecasterLPGTop](#): > > Electoral fraud is rife in the US. Ron Paul is way ahead in all the straw polls yet the corporate controlled media are ignoring him. It’s bizarre and criminal yet the sleeping mainstream simply believe their corrupt media which is controlled by a corrupt State which is leading the US down the road to Fascism. They are terrified of Ron Paul and his followers for they have woken up to a system that was infiltrated by foreign banking/corporate interests over the last 50 years with the purpose of bringing down the USA, destroying the constitution and replacing it all with a Fascist State.:mad: What evidence do you have that “foreign banking/corporate interests” have any objective other than improving their net worth? Do you think Ron Paul believes the corporate jnterests’ pursuit of this objective is damaging to society or helpful? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/32 "2012-04-01T19:35:25Z")
Ron Paul has indeed won more straw polls than any other candidate, but the fact that Herman Cain has won the second-most should tell you all you need to know: there have not been that many straw polls lately. Most of them were held long before the Iowa caucuses and the start of actual voting and delegate-committing. The early straw polls were good for Paul- not that many people cared to participate, but his supporters were motivated and they did. It actually costs money to vote in the Ames straw poll, for example, so Ron Paul supporters will do that and a lot of other people won’t. In the primaries and caucuses, Ron Paul is a very distant fourth. In some primaries he’s finishing third, ahead of Newt Gingrich, but that says more about how poorly Gingrich is doing. Neither one of them is close to Romney or Santorum. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/33 "2012-04-01T20:03:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Der Trihs** : > > Well, he might be referring to the alien lizard people. Which would be much more interesting; paranoia over Jewish conspiracies is so dated. “The banks are being taken over by the lizard people” would be far more entertaining than yet more ranting about the Jews. I think the subtext of the whole “alien lizard people” thing is supposed to be that Jews _are_ all alien lizard people. How else can one explain how successful they’ve been (aside from that whole unpleasantness in the '30s and '40s, of course)? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/34 "2012-04-01T20:13:04Z")
> [@emcee2k](#): > > Anti-Holocaust means Holocaust denier, right? Because, I know I probably wouldn’t join a group over it, but I consider myself pretty anti-Holocaust. Ouch! I was referring to Ron Paul’s purchase of the mailing list of the holocaust denying Liberty Lobby. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Oh a discussion on SDMB is your cite? Powerful stuff considering not a single piece of evidence is provided in that thread to support your theory. Maybe you also failed to read the post in this very thread that suggests supporters of Santorum and supporters of Paul are cooperating in WA to deny Romney delegates. If half-baked conspiracy theories are your style, I wonder if you and the OP could find some common interests. In that thread, you claimed that Ron Paul had aired anti-Romney ads. I asked for a citation. I’m still waiting. Please place your answer or retraction in the other thread. And, um, it’s not surprising that Ron Paul wants to take delegates away from Romney. What’s odd is that Ron Paul never attacked Mitt Romney during the 20 debates that he attended – yet he attacked Santorum 22 times. Since our discussion though, I recall a few mild anti-Romney words released by the Ron Paul campaign, FTR. “Hand in glove” was hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/35 "2012-04-01T20:19:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Do you think Ron Paul believes the corporate jnterests’ pursuit of this objective is damaging to society or helpful? Damaging. He called corporatism “[soft fascism](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4jKNTvD53o)”. Unfortunately (perhaps due to his adulation of Rand and freshwater leanings) he didn’t propose that a hierarchical economic model is soft feudalism and endorse democracy in the workplace. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/36 "2012-04-01T20:19:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I think the subtext of the whole “alien lizard people” thing is supposed to be that Jews _are_ all alien lizard people. How else can one explain how successful they’ve been (aside from that whole unpleasantness in the '30s and '40s, of course)? Yeah, for a race of shadowy overlords secretly controlling all that goes on in the world behind the scenes, those Jews are doing a pretty piss-poor job. OT: what’s the deal with Ron Paul being considered a libertarian but at the same time not being pro-choice and also opposing SSM? How did this guy end up being associated with the Libertarian party, that makes no sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/37 "2012-04-01T20:28:10Z")
Here’s Chomsky on [Anarchocapitalism](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPUvQZ3rcQ) (there are many different, nuanced varieties: minarchism, agorism, paleolibertarianism… Strict Constitutionalism tends to edge this way too). As I’m an [anarcho-syndicalist](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA) (European, classical libertarian), they tend to hold opposing views to me, though not diametrically opposed as state capitalists often are. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/38 "2012-04-01T20:34:53Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > OT: what’s the deal with Ron Paul being considered a libertarian but at the same time not being pro-choice and also opposing SSM? How did this guy end up being associated with the Libertarian party, that makes no sense to me. In the US, Libertarianism is a code-word for reactionaries who like smoking pot. There is ample scope for true libertarian cooperation with liberals. But mostly speaking, Cato et al haven’t pursued such opportunities: instead they get snuggly with the Koch Bros., plutocrats who excel in turning campaign contributions into government subsidies and back again. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/39 "2012-04-01T22:09:35Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Damaging. He called corporatism “[soft fascism](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4jKNTvD53o)”. Unfortunately (perhaps due to his adulation of Rand and freshwater leanings) he didn’t propose that a hierarchical economic model is soft feudalism and endorse democracy in the workplace. Not necessarily. Yes of course corporatism is soft fascism, but that doesn’t mean he thinks a business’ desire to increase its net worth is damaging. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427/40 "2012-04-02T01:04:28Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Santorum all over the straw poll? Ewww! Get some disinfectant for that straw! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ron-paul/617427.md?page=3)