# “Roofied”, but not for sex. A real thing? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 27, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769 "2014-11-27T16:18:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SuperAbe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@SuperAbe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperAbe)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/21 "2014-11-29T04:06:14Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > sounds like a name for a wicked drink. [It’s been done](http://imbibemagazine.com/Occam-s-Razor-Recipe). 😃 Sneak peak: [ul] [li]3/4 oz. reposado or añejo tequila[/li][li]1 shot fresh espresso or 3/4 oz. cold brew coffee[/li][li]3/4 oz. heavy cream or half-and-half[/li][li]3/4 oz. white crème de cacao[/li][li]2 dashes chili tincture[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/22 "2014-11-29T04:14:06Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Seems too risky to do it just for kicks. Yes, very irresponsible use of date rape drugs, IMNSHO. > [@bienville](#): > > _Never_ roofie someone unless you intend to rape them. It’s called being responsible. It’s called common sense. But it’s not very common. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/23 "2014-11-29T08:30:45Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I feel like actual “roofying” for sex is largely an urban legend. Sort of like how when I was a kid, we were told to search our Halloween candy for razor blades. And “slipping someone a Micky” is something I’ve never heard outside of some old detective film noir. Sort of like boping someone on the head with your pistol to knock them out for 10 minutes with no other ill effects. That is to say, has it ever happened? Sure. Does it happen with enough frequency that you should expect a steaming cocktail of GHB if you turn your back on your drink? No. > So personally I think the article is mostly BS. I can’t find the cite but read that alcohol is the primary intoxicant in the majority of date rapes. Like rohypnol/GHB/benzodiazepines are \<10% combined maybe even low single digits. Google fu not working. As far as bartenders it is probably easier to call the cops if they don’t leave. I have seen bartenders/bouncers get physical at least 4 times, 3 in the same bar and same time (ok the third person I was with and he asked politely to be put in a headlock to put a picture on Facebook. The bouncer asked for a copy 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/24 "2014-11-29T10:27:56Z")
Anyone else remember when it was spelled “rophy,” and wasn’t plural (roofies)? It came from transposing the P in"Rohypnal," because “Rohy,” and “Ropy” both sounded kinda dumb, and besides, some people transposed the P when they read “Rohypnal,” and got “Rophynal.” I remember in college thinking there were two similarly named drugs, Rophynal, that people talked about, and Rohypnal, that I’d read about. Then, I had the epiphany. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/25 "2014-11-29T16:18:34Z")
You know that guy who won’t stop talking, you try to say something and he talks over you and he keeps talking and talking and…? I’m betting these are the guys getting drugged. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/26 "2014-11-29T16:47:12Z")
What can Dopers tell me about [scopolamine, a drug used by criminals in parts of South America to strip a victim of free will](http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/324779)? The drug derives from plants in the nightshade family, has various medical uses, and was once used as a truth serum in some Communist countries. In Thailand we hear rumors of a similar drug used here (ยาสั่ง, “medicine for ordering”). [Some associate it with scopolamine](http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/590798-scopolamine-drug/), but it may be as likely that it’s just a myth. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/27 "2014-11-29T17:21:50Z")
> [@SuperAbe](#): > > [It’s been done](http://imbibemagazine.com/Occam-s-Razor-Recipe). 😃 > > Sneak peak: > [ul] > [li]3/4 oz. reposado or añejo tequila[/li][li]1 shot fresh espresso or 3/4 oz. cold brew coffee[/li][li]3/4 oz. heavy cream or half-and-half[/li][li]3/4 oz. white crème de cacao[/li][li]2 dashes chili tincture[/li][/ul] And that just seems wrong. Not only is it just too complicated, but William of Ockham lived in 13th/14th century England, where at least two of those ingredients make no sense. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/28 "2014-11-29T19:31:19Z")
99.99% of the time claims by people that they were “roofied” are fig leaves so they don’t have to admit they were drunk off their asses or combining recreational drugs and alcohol and wound up in scenarios that were dangerous or embarrassing. Being roofied can happen, but it’s very uncommon. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/29 "2014-11-29T19:37:38Z")
> [@astro](#): > > 99.99% of the time claims by people that they were “roofied” are fig leaves so they don’t have to admit they were drunk off their asses or combining recreational drugs and alcohol and wound up in scenarios that were dangerous or embarrassing. Being roofied can happen, but it’s very uncommon. And in my experience there are plenty of predators hanging around in dive bars/clubs looking for this, or they target someone already obviously intoxicated and offer then rec drugs they accept. They don’t need to sneak funny tasting powders into drinks or risk the victim noticing, they just look for someone to victimize. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/30 "2014-11-29T20:18:35Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Anyone else remember when it was spelled “rophy,” and wasn’t plural (roofies)? It came from transposing the P in"Rohypnal," because “Rohy,” and “Ropy” both sounded kinda dumb, and besides, some people transposed the P when they read “Rohypnal,” and got “Rophynal.” I remember in college thinking there were two similarly named drugs, Rophynal, that people talked about, and Rohypnal, that I’d read about. Then, I had the epiphany. Or “Roofalin,” according to _the Hangover_. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![eclectic\_wench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac91a4/32.png) [@eclectic\_wench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eclectic_wench)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/31 "2014-11-29T22:12:21Z")
Shouldn’t an Occam’s Razor be straight vodka? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/32 "2014-11-29T23:08:56Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > It happened at a frat party somewhere this fall, I forget where. Or someone claimed it happened, when they really just got drunker than they intended. Without some sort of testing, I’d take all “roofied at a frat party” talk with a HUGE grain of salt. Moreso if the story shows up in the evening news. Not saying it didn’t happen, not saying it never happens, just that I don’t believe it happens anywhere nearly as often as false claims. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/33 "2014-11-30T18:51:07Z")
Talking about alcohol being the major intoxicant, consider [these](http://www.tomonews.net/96-vodka-filled-capsule-used-for-date-rape-at-night-clubs-124620927516672): > [@](#): > > These 96% Vodka filled colorful and crystal-like capsules are said to be the main reason why a dozen of female university students passed out on Shinjuku streets in Tokyo in June after a drinking party. > > It’s said to be the latest invention for guys to ‘pick up’ girls at nightclubs… ---
**Author:** ![lazybratsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ba8739/32.png) [@lazybratsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lazybratsche)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/34 "2014-11-30T19:17:27Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Or someone claimed it happened, when they really just got drunker than they intended. Without some sort of testing, I’d take all “roofied at a frat party” talk with a HUGE grain of salt. Moreso if the story shows up in the evening news. > > Not saying it didn’t happen, not saying it never happens, just that I don’t believe it happens anywhere nearly as often as false claims. Well, here’s one recent case where GHB was detected: [http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20141108-brown-university-student-tested-positive-for-date-rape-drug.ece?click=RB](http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20141108-brown-university-student-tested-positive-for-date-rape-drug.ece?click=RB). However I do agree with you and most everyone else in the thread: use of date rate drugs, _except for alcohol_, is rare enough to be newsworthy. As a total lightweight I remember going from zero-to-drunk in “just two drinks” a few times. But in those cases, each drink was something like a long island iced tea with 4-5 units of alcohol, I was starting on an empty stomach, and I was a scrawny 135 pound kid. Another time I had severe allergies and was taking maximum dose benadryl all day, and I fell asleep on a chair halfway through my second beer. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/35 "2014-11-30T23:11:56Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Kids these days. > Such extreme and dangerous Jackassery! When will they learn? > _Never_ roofie someone unless you intend to rape them. It’s called being responsible. I take your point, but it is the _motivation_ that puzzles me. Slipping stuff into someones drink is far from risk-free, even for the person doing the slipping. I can sort of see how someone intent on rape might think the risk worth the payoff, but if rape is the object, what is the payoff? In most cases, they are not likely to even _see_ much of how their victim is affected (in the case of the article in the OP, only the boyfriend seems to have seen much of the result, and the victim seems convinced he was not the perpetrator), and one does not need to have had too much experience of observing other people under the influence of sedative drugs (indeed, almost all drugs) to know that they are not, really, all that amusing. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/36 "2014-12-01T17:51:40Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > It happened at a frat party somewhere this fall, I forget where. Yeah, to a friend of a friend of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769/37 "2014-12-02T17:40:32Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I feel like actual “roofying” for sex is largely an urban legend. Not according to many friends and acquaintances of Bill Cosby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roofied-but-not-for-sex-a-real-thing/705769.md?page=1)