# "ROOSTORILLA"---new darwinian religion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 8, 2001, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454 "2001-09-08T23:51:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jesse\_morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@jesse\_morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesse_morrison)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2001, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/1 "2001-09-08T23:51:56Z")
“ROOSTORILLA” 1. Is it theoretically possible to cross genus/species breed a Rooster (genus/species–Gallus Domesticus) with a Gorilla (genus/species—Gorilla Gorilla gorilla gorilla) using the technology of Genetic Engineering? 2. Which Phenotypic traits would most likely be dominant? 3. Would the “creature” ROOSTORILLA be able to communicate with male/female Chickens, and male/female Gorillas? 4. Would ROOSTORILLA develop “behavior problems” if he/she is rejected by his/her genetic ancestors? Would human “nurturing” be a solution to this undetermined problem? 5. For further information on the New Darwinian Evolving Religion, ROOSTORILLA, see our website at [roostorilla.com](http://roostorilla.com) (under construction). jesse ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/2 "2001-09-09T00:24:16Z")
1. My first instinct is to say no, but they are doing the damndest things with genetic engineering lately. Those two species seem too different to allow for a cross-breed, though. 2. I haven’t a clue. Is there a reasonable way of predicting this? 3. ¿Que? 4. Again, I can think of no way that this can be reasonably answered. 5. “Under construction”? Hell, the website seems to be completely non-existent. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/3 "2001-09-09T00:35:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jesse morrison \* > **1. Is it theoretically possible to cross genus/species > breed a Rooster (genus/species–Gallus Domesticus) with > a Gorilla (genus/species—Gorilla Gorilla gorilla gorilla) > using the technology of Genetic Engineering?** Most likely not. Even if these two creatures do have the same number of chromosomes, there’s probably enough difference in what locus codes for what protein that it wouldn’t work. IANABiologist, but that’s my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/4 "2001-09-09T02:28:11Z")
My first thought-What the ding-dong hell is this doing in Great Debates. Let’s move it to IMHO. My second thought(after taste testing three different hard apple ciders and four different varieties of hard lemonade)-I think this baby has definite potential! Can you imagine beng awoken every morning at 5 am with screaming and grunting? Can you see the look on the face of the fox when he breaks in? I tell you now, _all_ heads will turn when that chicken cosses the road! I would definitely prescribe muscle relaxants for the hens-they will be be needed for the sexual act AND the laying of the eggs. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/5 "2001-09-09T02:41:56Z")
I’m not so much worried about crossing a gorilla with a chicken as I am that the OP used the term “darwinian religion” Another Creationist? :rolleyes: As for the cross-breeding experiment, IANAB but I don’t think it could be successful. The two species are too far apart, genetically. One’s mammalian, the other avian. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/6 "2001-09-09T04:37:37Z")
I’ll tell you one thing; I wouldn’t want to hear that thing crow at dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Lost\_In\_Reality](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lost\_In\_Reality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lost_In_Reality)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/7 "2001-09-09T04:48:53Z")
I was once a Biology student, and we actually learned about this very topic. The actual chromosomes don’t have to be the same I believe. In the mule, a horse and a donkey are joined. I am pretty sure they don’t have the same number. My teacher showed us a pretty big list of hybrids. My favorite was a Tigelon (Tiger Lion). I believe the only requirement is to be of the same genus. Also keep mind all Hybrids are sterile. So I will assume that your Monkey Chicken combo can’t come to be. But wait there is more. I read an article recently where they made a spider-goat. The goat looked like a regular goat, but there were strands of silk in the milk which could be one day implemented for surgery. I will look for the site. Lost In Reality ---
**Author:** ![Lost\_In\_Reality](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lost\_In\_Reality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lost_In_Reality)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/8 "2001-09-09T04:55:48Z")
It is not letting me edit so here is the link. Also you can type spider-goat into google and get tons of links.[http://srd.yahoo.com/goo/Spider+Goat/6/\*http://www.forbes.com/asap/2001/0219/101.html](http://srd.yahoo.com/goo/Spider+Goat/6/*http://www.forbes.com/asap/2001/0219/101.html)\> ---
**Author:** ![Ferggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Ferggie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferggie)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/9 "2001-09-09T11:22:16Z")
You, know, it _used_ to be that when you said “What do you get when you cross an X and a Y?,” it was the opening of a joke. ---
**Author:** ![jesse\_morrison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@jesse\_morrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesse_morrison)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2001, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/10 "2001-09-09T12:36:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lost In Reality \* > \*\*It is not letting me edit so here is the link. Also you can type spider-goat into google and get tons of links.[http://srd.yahoo.com/goo/Spider+Goat/6/\*http://www.forbes.com/asap/2001/0219/101.html](http://srd.yahoo.com/goo/Spider+Goat/6/*http://www.forbes.com/asap/2001/0219/101.html)\> \*\* Thanks for the information. “TRANSGENICS” seems to be taking off. If I could train a female ROOSTORILLA to stand still while I milk her, I wonder if I could sell her milk as a “Genetically Enginerred Aphrodisiac”, because of the promiscuous nature of Roosters? jesse ---
**Author:** ![MeCorva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@MeCorva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeCorva)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/11 "2001-09-10T02:49:14Z")
> [@](#): > > My teacher showed us a pretty big list of hybrids. > > … > > I read an article recently where they made a spider-goat. The goat looked like a regular goat, but there were strands of silk in the milk which could be one day implemented for surgery. Note that the goat/spider wasn’t really a hybrid – it was more like monkeying ( sorry ) around with a goats DNA. It was still 99.9% goat. A cooler ( IMHO ) use of this is [http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/humnph.htm](http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/humnph.htm) where they implant human insulin generator DNA into bacteria, and then the bacteria makes “human” insulin. But, that sure as heck isn’t a Human/Bacteria hybrid. Me’Corva ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/12 "2001-09-10T06:44:37Z")
Isn’t it, **Me’Corva**? Why not? The article in Forbes linked above is quite amazing, and worth setting out in full: > [@](#): > > User may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, or other content, software, products or services obtained from this Web site. In addition, the information may not be taken out of context or presented in an unfair, misleading or discriminatory manner. {Note: Dave, we DO NOT allow quoting whole articles on the Straight Dope Message Board. A link and a synopsis are good enough. We don’t like people infringing upon our copyright, and so we don’t like our posters infringing on others’ copyrights. I have deleted the quoted article and substituted part of Forbes’ terms, conditions, and notices available at [http://www.forbes.com/fdc/terms.shtml](http://www.forbes.com/fdc/terms.shtml) or by clicking on the link at the bottom of the article. Lynn} [Edited by Lynn Bodoni on 09-10-2001 at 05:14 AM] ---
**Author:** ![Lost\_In\_Reality](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lost\_In\_Reality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lost_In_Reality)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/13 "2001-09-10T07:14:07Z")
MeCorva is actually completely correct. The Spider-goat and bacteria that produced insulin are in fact not hybrids. They are just genetically altered animals. In fact they are no different than cold-resistant corn. A spider and goat were not joined and neither was a human and a bacteria. I brought up the concept of transgenics because you could combine certain characteristics and it onto the Rooster or Gorilla. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/14 "2001-09-10T07:52:57Z")
I suppose it all boils down to your defeinition of the qword ‘hybrid’ - not all types of hybrid arise from sexual reproduction between the two species involved; there is such a thing as a ‘Graft Hybrid’ (Chimaera) - Laburnocytisus is the classic example of a chimaera. maybe qwe just need a new quailification, i.e. ‘genetically engineered hybrid’ ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/15 "2001-09-10T07:54:24Z")
oops, I’m not suggesting that we invent ‘qword’ too (although it would be useful in scrabble games) ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/16 "2001-09-10T07:55:18Z")
I’m not denying that they are not hybrids, but if an animal has been genetically modified with another animal’s DNA, what is the nomenclature for it? Does a “human-bacteria” really have to be a big floating 1950s sci-fi blob with a human brain, or a spider-goat an eight-legged thing with horns and a penchant for eating everything? (This is getting off-track, sorry.) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/17 "2001-09-10T09:20:20Z")
[here](http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/systax/dendrologie/labcytadflw.htm) is a picture of laburnocytisus, if anyone is interested; I would have added this link in my earlier post, but the board closes for maintenance at 9:00(ish) GMT, so I was in a hurry. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/18 "2001-09-10T10:26:11Z")
Anyway, I think Roostorilla would make a good evil monster for the Power Rangers or Godzilla (or anything else in that genre) to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![MeCorva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@MeCorva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeCorva)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/19 "2001-09-10T18:10:16Z")
Lost in Reality – it’s clear you understand the difference between transgenic and hybrids, but for fear of some people misunderstanding ( and, probably using it to disprove darwinian religion on some other post… =:\> ), I figured I’d make sure it was clarified. Dave, the word apparently seems to be transgenic: having chromosomes into which one or more heterologous genes have been incorporated either artificially or naturally \ Thank LiR for that – I knew they did it, but not what they call it. Transgenics happens a lot, but most people don’t really care, since the results look ‘just like’ one of the original parents. Mangetout, if you start randomluy insuertiung extra chauractuers into wourds, wue might think youuuuu are mocuking us. ( at least, I might. ) And, if you are trying to make good scrabble words, I vote for “EiEiO” as a ‘pity word’. Me’Corva ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2001, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454/20 "2001-09-10T21:07:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MeCorva \* > \*\*Mangetout, if you start randomluy insuertiung extra chauractuers into wourds, wue might think youuuuu are mocuking us. ( at least, I might. ) And, if you are trying to make good scrabble words, I vote for “EiEiO” as a ‘pity word’. > > Me’Corva \*\* Soory abouot that, tryign to type topo fast opn an rather crappy laptop keyborad, ansd didnt’ mean t o cause yopu any problems. My family and I used to play a game that we called ‘unscrabble’ - you had to avoid using words which exist in the dictionary, but had to be able to invent a plausible definition for your word (the other players would vote). The only one of my words I can remember is Aikrije, which is a type of exotic subatomic particle. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roostorilla-new-darwinian-religion/80454.md?page=2)