# Rooves, thanks for injecting your haughty supremacism into a perfectly good thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733 "2003-07-24T22:20:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dreaming_of_Maria_Callas)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/1 "2003-07-24T22:20:45Z")
Once upon a time there was a beautiful GQ thread about [America’s original name](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3748659#post3748659), in which posters received new insights on Native Americans. But then, one dark day a poster called **Rooves** arrived… What was America’s original name? Well, the bad man told us: > [@](#): > > I have it on good authority that it was : “Unga bunga” > > Strangely enough the same term was used for “my balls itch” and “when is the comb going to be invented”. > > All true. > > Sorry for being a jackass. Fuck you, **Rooves**. The Native Americans may have lived in primitive condictions compared to Europeans - though many were stable farmers - but they were not neanderthals or uncouth retards. You are a jackass, I’m happy you can at least admit that. UnuMondo ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2003, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/2 "2003-07-24T22:39:40Z")
I have a feeling you’re not going to get much sympathy here. I consider myself someone who has a lot of respect for indigenous cultures, but I don’t find that remark offensive enough to warrant a response. Just stupid and not funny. I also disagree with your assertion that Native Americans were primitive compared to Europeans. Can you imagine what life was like in the Middle Ages? Of course, their development has been retarded since then, but you can blame that on colonization. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/3 "2003-07-24T22:59:10Z")
Yeah, I agree with **Chula**. The OP made a dumb comment, but it wasn’t specifically offensive. I didn’t read any haughty supremicism, and given that he/she apologised for the triviality of the post, I fail to see how you can be so rabid about jumping on the Offenderati bandwagon. Geez. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/4 "2003-07-25T00:56:35Z")
I didn’t in any way derail the thread. I made an “unfunny” joke. The thread is fine. You’re assuming that I’m calling “native americans” ,aka “american indians” dumb. I was merely asserting (in a retarded way) that “america” has for a very long time been a land mass which sustained people. Were american indians the first people to cross the bering strait 20 to 25 thousand years ago? Hell if I know. I think it was the Canadians. (they’re a hell of a lot closer) I am, on the other hand, sick and tired of hearing Americans whine about how white men stole the land from Indians and how sophisticated indians actually were. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/5 "2003-07-25T00:56:57Z")
They have these things now. They’re called jokes. Didn’t you learn about that in computer lab? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/6 "2003-07-25T01:02:42Z")
Oh my GOD!!! He made a Bad Joke!! In GQ!!! String him up by the balls!!! Or just don’t laugh. Either way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/7 "2003-07-25T01:24:12Z")
Without even opening the original thread, it seems clear that the guy’s talking about the people who showed up here 10,000 years ago, not the civilizations that had risen up between the days of the land bridge and the arrival of the Europeans. I mean, they weren’t cave men in the 16th century, but just like all hominids, they were at some point. ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/8 "2003-07-25T02:03:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rooves \* > \*\*I am, on the other hand, sick and tired of hearing Americans whine about how white men stole the land from Indians… \*\* Are you claiming that’s in some way factually inaccurate? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/9 "2003-07-25T04:55:26Z")
I was wondering that myself, **chula**. My specific reaction, in fact: > [@](#): > > They didn’t? …They weren’t? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/10 "2003-07-25T09:47:29Z")
Rooves > [@](#): > > I am, on the other hand, sick and tired of hearing Americans whine about how white men stole the land from Indians and how sophisticated indians actually were. [You are an idiot](http://www.bartleby.com/43/3.html). ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/11 "2003-07-25T16:15:44Z")
I’m an idiot because it think people who own real estate in america are hypocrites for whining about the land they currently own? They not only own land here but help support an entire economy here. So fuck you. You’re an idiot for assuming you knew what I meant by what i said. As far as the sophistication of “native americans” is concerned, I never said one way or the other how I felt about it. I stated that I was tired of hearing people whine about it. I never studied native american culture. They were obviously less sophisticated than the people who were able to take their fucking shit from them. In the original thread I cracked a joke. It wasn’t directed at any particular person on here or at any one culture. It was a joke. Some of you responded by calling me names and personally attacking me. …thats “haughty” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/12 "2003-07-25T16:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > As far as the sophistication of “native americans” is concerned, I never said one way or the other how I felt about it. I stated that I was tired of hearing people whine about it. I never studied native american culture. They were obviously less sophisticated than the people who were able to take their fucking shit from them. Less sophistocated HOW? In some ways, yes, they were. In some ways, they were much ahead of the Europeans. And if you’ve never fucking studied, it, how the fuck can you claim to be such an authority? Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/13 "2003-07-25T16:30:33Z")
I didn’t claim to be an authority “dumbass”. I said this: “I never studied native american culture.” in my last post. Try to pay more attention. I’m assuming that they lost their land because they weren’t as sophisticated (doesn’t mean sophisticated is “better”) as their enemies in worldly dealings and in protection of their land. The reason I made the assumption is mainly because you don’t run into “native americans” often these days. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/14 "2003-07-25T16:34:17Z")
Hey, **UnuMondo** , you should be thanking **Rooves** now. It looked for a minute like your Pitting was not going to garner a great deal of support, but then **Rooves** went and made a jackass of himself. Now you can claim startling prescience. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/15 "2003-07-25T16:39:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rooves \* > I’m assuming that they lost their land because they weren’t as sophisticated (doesn’t mean sophisticated is “better”) as their enemies in worldly dealings and in protection of their land. Then before you go saying anything like that again, try to gain some semblance of an idea of the differences between European idea of land ownership and Amerind ( **Lib** , that the current term? I never know what to use) concepts of the same. > [@](#): > > The reason I made the assumption is mainly because you don’t run into “native americans” often these days. Well, we have a few here, so rather than saying ignorant shit, how about asking them? Perhaps an “Educate the guy who knows nothing whatsoever about American Indigenous Peoples” thread is in order? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/16 "2003-07-25T16:42:01Z")
Brilliant discovery there mhendo. How would you calling me a jackass offend me if I did it myself in my OP? I wonder if any indians ever considered the land your house sits on “sacred ground”. Maybe not. Maybe just the mall that you buy your clothes at. Whynot move somewhere where there’ll be less blood on your hands? Make sure you don’t step on any bugs on your way out. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/17 "2003-07-25T16:57:26Z")
iampunha: I prefer to make sweeping generalizations, thank you. I feel no need to feel sorry for every organism that occupied this land before me. The Earth is constantly changing. Continents drift, oceans recede, mountains rise up out of the ground, civilizations rise up to ultimate power and fall back down again. My point is get over it. Whats yours? ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/18 "2003-07-25T17:08:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rooves \* > \*\* > The reason I made the assumption is mainly because you don’t run into “native americans” often these days. \*\* Considering the estimated population of North American natives in 1492 was approximately 40 million to 90 million and by the 20th century the population was roughly 2.0 million in the United states an 1.2 million in Canada I’d dare say you might not run into them.[cite](http://www.marthomamission.org/nativeamerican1.htm) You’d have to wonder why the population declined so drastically. It wasn’t due to European sophistication. it came in waves. First European Disease (mainly small pox) decimated local populations which had no natural immunity. This was followed by ever growing settlements first sharing and then dominating the resources previously held by settled natives. Europeans came in wave after wave swamping the coastal and river regions eventually pushing the natives westward. As the New settlers grew they pushed westward with the same overwhelming numbers Finally there came the out right attempts at genocide and annexation of the population. That is not sophistication that is essentially a swarming. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/19 "2003-07-25T17:26:56Z")
Pun > [@](#): > > Lib, that the current term? I never know what to use I’d say use whatever term you’re comfortable with. I’ve always liked “Indian” because it reminds me of how stupid the white conquerors were. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2003, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733/20 "2003-07-25T17:27:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rooves \* > My point is get over it. Whats yours? Get over yourself. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rooves-thanks-for-injecting-your-haughty-supremacism-into-a-perfectly-good-thread/190733.md?page=2)