# Roseanne Part Two? No Thank You **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 24, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120 "2018-03-24T18:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/181 "2018-05-16T17:09:48Z")
I’ll be damned. Roseanne is a drug addict. This show is getting to be fairly good. It is also very sad that they can’t come up with $3000 for a surgery that will play such a big role in her health. That is only $250 a month for a year. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/182 "2018-05-16T19:02:48Z")
Yep, that was a shocker. It will be interesting to see how the surgery plays out. Given that they’ve got at least one credit card that has been declined, along with assorted bills that are way past due (along with the associated fees), the scenario being presented is sadly realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/183 "2018-05-17T12:50:42Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Yep, that was a shocker. > > It will be interesting to see how the surgery plays out. Given that they’ve got at least one credit card that has been declined, along with assorted bills that are way past due (along with the associated fees), the scenario being presented is sadly realistic. I know they’ve got 5 people living in their house now (Darlene and her 2 kids), but they had a long period where it was just Roseanne and Dan there. I could understand them being broke with 3 kids back in the 80s and 90s. But they had a long period where all 3 of their kids were independent. Ideally they would’ve been earning the same amount of money as they earned before, so that could’ve helped them pay off debts. Plus they’ve had that house for at least 30 years, so the mortgage should be paid off. I know its a fictional show, but they should be in better financial shape at this point in their lives. They had a ~20 year period where their kids didn’t need any financial support and their mortgage should be paid off as they’ve lived in that house for about 40 years now. Then again as they get older, the amount of work they can do to earn money drops I’m sure so their income goes down too. Also Dan and Roseanne should be old enough to quality for medicare. I think they are 66 and 65 respectively. So I’m not sure where the $3000 deductible comes from. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/184 "2018-05-17T16:42:39Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Also Dan and Roseanne should be old enough to quality for medicare. I think they are 66 and 65 respectively. So I’m not sure where the $3000 deductible comes from. I’m 72 and on Medicare. Next month I’ll be having knee replacement surgery. It’ll cost me absolutely nothing, not even a copay. Same with my open heart surgery six years ago. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/185 "2018-05-17T17:17:25Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Also Dan and Roseanne should be old enough to quality for medicare. I think they are 66 and 65 respectively. So I’m not sure where the $3000 deductible comes from. Original Medicare ( not Medicare advantage plans) has a $1340 deductible for hospitalization and you have to pay 20% of the Medicare approved amount for physician services after you meet the $183 deductible. Having to pay $3000 is not unrealistic - all you need is $9000 in surgeon/anesthesiologist fees and no coverage other than original Medicare. [https://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/costs-at-a-glance/costs-at-glance.html](https://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/costs-at-a-glance/costs-at-glance.html) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/186 "2018-05-18T23:44:19Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Yep, that was a shocker… Not really; I’ve been expecting that since the season premier. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/187 "2018-05-19T00:47:27Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I could understand them being broke with 3 kids back in the 80s and 90s. But they had a long period where all 3 of their kids were independent. Ideally they would’ve been earning the same amount of money as they earned before, so that could’ve helped them pay off debts. Plus they’ve had that house for at least 30 years, so the mortgage should be paid off. I know its a fictional show, but they should be in better financial shape at this point in their lives. They had a ~20 year period where their kids didn’t need any financial support and their mortgage should be paid off as they’ve lived in that house for about 40 years now. Then again as they get older, the amount of work they can do to earn money drops I’m sure so their income goes down too. > > Also Dan and Roseanne should be old enough to quality for medicare. I think they are 66 and 65 respectively. So I’m not sure where the $3000 deductible comes from. They probably refinanced their house (possibly several times) to pay off debts, and kept extending the term of the mortgage. I don’t know how old Dan and Roseanne are, but we know Becky is 43. If Roseanne and Dan got married right out of high school and had Becky immediately, they’d be about 62-63, too young for Medicare. Dan’s contracting business seems always to have been on shaky ground, and except maybe when she worked at the factory in Season I, Roseanne has always worked at minimum wage jobs. And they’ve probably helped the kids financially many times, even when they were broke themselves. Plus, given the number of pills they had to divide up, they look to have had chronic health problems over the years. Put all that together and it’s pretty hard to get past living paycheck to paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/188 "2018-05-26T16:56:01Z")
Saw a repeat of original Roseanne (“Its a Boy”) where David moves in with the Connors. Originally shown in 1990. Jackie was giving back her house keys to Roseanne, and Roseanne said she had the keys for 9 years. From that, it can be inferred that the Connors have owned the house since 1981. Seems like most of the recurring characters got at least a cameo in the reboot. Two notable exceptions Tom Arnold (no surprise) and Leon (Martin Mull). I wonder if Mull and Roseanne had a falling out, because his career is still active, but not extremely busy. (according to his IMDB bio). ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/189 "2018-05-26T16:59:57Z")
Well Roseanne’s opioid addiction sure got glossed over pretty fast. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/190 "2018-05-27T01:04:21Z")
Also about the house–property taxes in Illinois are pretty high. My mom lives in the city that Lanford was based off of, Elgin. I think her property taxes are six grand a year. For a house in the kind of neighborhood that Roseanne is in, with the kind of house they have, they’re looking at 4-5 grand a year in property tax, easy. That’s a pretty significant challenge, especially if they’ve been helping out their kids off and on (and it seems like Becky, at least, has probably needed some help at various points; I doubt, for instance, that she could have paid for Mark’s funeral). Also, home building in the area pretty much stalled for a good six years; I imagine that Dan’s contracting was pretty dry then. They might have gone through any savings they had. They probably also took out something against the house at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/191 "2018-05-29T17:33:23Z")
Roseanne tweets that former Obama advisor Valerian Jarrett is what happens if the [Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/roseanne-barr-apologizes-tweet-comparing-obama-adviser-ape-n878171) We can kick this racist pig to the curb now. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/192 "2018-05-29T17:53:09Z")
ABC cancelled the show now. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/193 "2018-05-29T17:56:09Z")
That was fast. I expected at least 24 hours before ABC took action. Good riddance to bad rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/194 "2018-05-29T17:57:09Z")
Yep, just saw the news alert (from the BBC, of all places). Holy crap, what a racist. Maybe they could have just written her off the show instead (away at rehab, or some such). ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/195 "2018-05-29T17:59:07Z")
Yeah, I was OK with some of her off-air shenanigans if I liked the show. But the show isn’t good enough to tolerate that crap. I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/196 "2018-05-29T18:00:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Roseanne tweets that former Obama advisor Valerian Jarrett is what happens if the [Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/roseanne-barr-apologizes-tweet-comparing-obama-adviser-ape-n878171) > > We can kick this racist pig to the curb now. I came in to post about this tweet but I skimmed thru the thread as I scrolled to the bottom to see if the most recent post had already been about the tweet, and I found this as I skimmed: > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > There was a joke a couple of episodes ago that’s receiving some attention, such as [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/arts/television/roseanne-bad-joke-controversy-kelvin-yu.html) and [here](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/23/how-one-joke-on-roseanne-explains-the-show). > > As summarized by The New Yorker, “In the third episode of “Roseanne,” on ABC, Roseanne Conner and her husband, Dan, wake up on their iconic sofa, in Lanford, Illinois. ‘It’s eleven o’clock,’ Roseanne says. ‘We slept from “Wheel” to “Kimmel.”’ Dan replies, ‘We missed all the shows about black and Asian families.’ Roseanne squawks, ‘They’re just like us!’ Then, sardonically, ‘There, now you’re all caught up.’” > > The reference to shows about black and Asian familes is to black-ish and Fresh Off the Boat, respectively. So is this dismissive, as suggested by some who commented on it? I’d say yeah, it was dismissive even before I’d read her latest tweet. AFTER reading the tweet, I don’t think there’s any room to reasonably claim it wasn’t dismissive. > [@Orwell](#): > > I don’t understand why this brief passage upsets so many (liberal) people. It seems to me that it’s an homage to TV becoming more diverse, and to society becoming more accepting of different colors/races/backgrounds. And about the once-hoped for melting pot ideal. Yeah there are sitcoms about non-white people… good for them, they are just like us. I think people are watching this show with too much of a political filter… just like everything else today. Yeah, the show is somewhat political, but it seems to me that it’s all over the board. To be honest, it’s a lot more balanced than most TV shows, which are liberal. :rolleyes: I don’t think you know what “homage” means, for starters. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/197 "2018-05-29T18:01:42Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That was fast. I expected at least 24 hours before ABC took action. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Honestly, I wish they’d never brought it back. It is a vastly overrated show. All in the Family it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/198 "2018-05-29T18:08:56Z")
Overrated it might be, but it was successful. The Hollywood Reporter says it was getting 19.3 million viewers. So good job to ABC for doing the right thing, despite the fact that the show does well. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/199 "2018-05-29T18:11:23Z")
Look for Fox to pick it up now. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120/200 "2018-05-29T18:12:16Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Overrated it might be, but it was successful. The Hollywood Reporter says it was getting 19.3 million viewers. So good job to ABC for doing the right thing, despite the fact that the show does well. 19.3 million is a ton in this day and age. Is that the number one show in the country? I’m both saddened and dumbfounded. I know Trump became President, but I didn’t think that many people cared about Roseanne still. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roseanne-part-two-no-thank-you/811120.md?page=11)