# Rove takes a walk **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2006, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556 "2006-06-13T12:05:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/21 "2006-06-13T16:19:39Z")
> [@Lightnin'](#): > > My god, **Shodan** - you’re exactly what’s wrong with the two-party system (and American politics in general). “Party before Country” is NOT a good thing for America- it should be the other way around. > > The sad thing is that you’ll never realize it, since you’re too wrapped up into rooting for “your” side. I didn’t say “Party before country”. I merely mocked those who say “Party regardless of truth”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/22 "2006-06-13T16:46:56Z")
So, let me get this straight. Clinton is investigated for six years and nothing can be proven, so that means **he did nothing wrong**. Rove is investigated for six years and nothing can be proven, so that means **he got away with it**. **That’s** party before country. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/23 "2006-06-13T16:53:57Z")
Just to give **Shodan** the benefit of the doubt: it is possible that he wants whoever outed the covert agent punished, but doesn’t believe it was Rove. (I assume we all can agree that the crime in fact occurred? To dispute this was a strategy early on, when Novak referred to Plame as a “glorified secretary”). **Shodan** ’s did, at one time, believe the leak to be a serious issue. But he was trying to [pin it on Clinton](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=3716628#post3716628) then too. 😉 If I’m wrong – if **Shodan** truly prefers that the perp walk rather than the Republicans lose one – I can’t see how he’s not supporting a traitor. I admit to taking this matter a little personally, having worked in the intelligence community for twenty years, and would be pissed off at any administration who did it, regardless of party affiliation. (And I voted for Bush the first time, so I’m hoping this removes me from the list of ‘usual suspects’). ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/24 "2006-06-13T17:03:53Z")
No, Clinton was found not guilty (something many people are still sporting grudges about, apparently). _That_ means he did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, which is the only place so many Republicans can find solace in these days. “But _in the eyes of the law_, the president did nothing wrong!” “But in the eyes of the law, Rove did nothing wrong!” “But in the eyes of the law…!!!” Rove wasn’t even indicted. Either: A) No evidence was found and the investigation was dropped or B) pressure was brought to bear and evidence was suppressed. And, of course, this administration has such a sterling history of honesty and integrity, we all have no problem whatsoever believing it must be the former. Oh, and **Cervaise** , **Shodan** is not a pig. He is a troll. A knuckle dragging, bridge dwelling, goat felching, mouth breathing troll who adds nothing to any discussion except inflammatory statements designed to elicit responses like these. He is, dare I say it, the most successful troll in the history of the SDMB, and all I can think is he has some mighty good blackmail material on Ed and Tuba to have not been banned before this. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/25 "2006-06-13T17:07:24Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Wait till November. I had to double check the time stamp on this post to make sure I wasn’t responding to a thread started in 2004. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/26 "2006-06-13T17:08:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You lose. Wrong. We _all_ lose. When the government is this fucking corrupt, it’s everyone who pays the price. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/27 "2006-06-13T17:09:55Z")
Maureen, what has Shodan done that’s bannable? Seriously, grow the fuck up. Someone doesn’t agree with your political positions and is rude about it, and they should therefore be banned? Don’t be an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/28 "2006-06-13T17:14:17Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > **Shodan** is… dare I say it, the most successful troll in the history of the SDMB I’d still say **december** got under more skins and more deeply too, perhaps mainly because he kept his posts so articulate and so superficially polite. \*\*Shodan \*\* simply spraypaints graffiti on the walls and runs away giggling, like an unparented 11-year-old. Fitzgerald hasn’t wrapped things up yet, and there still is the _Sealed_ matter - dare we speculate that he’s focused on \*Cheney \* as the source of the leak, not on the mere transmitters of it? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/29 "2006-06-13T17:17:07Z")
**Lemur** , eat shit and live. **John Mace** disagrees with my politics. I love arguing with him. I will disagree with **Bricker** on so many things I can’t even list them, politically, but I respect his opinoin and his legal knowledge. **Shodan** breaks rule #1 every chance he gets. He adds nothing to threads other than one line assholish comments that derail discussions and drags them down to mud slinging bitterness. He’s a fucking troll. Deal. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/30 "2006-06-13T17:24:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I didn’t say “Party before country”. I merely mocked those who say “Party regardless of truth”. > > Regards, > Shodan Maybe you should’ve put that as a qualifier on your “neener neener neener” comment, given a small (and I mean tiny) sample of your previous postings: > [@Shodan](#): > > Well, you’re both wrong, obviously, since Democrats have done the same thing and weren’t impeached for it. > [@Shodan](#): > > Like any of this is going to happen. The Dems will pick up a few seats in the House and a couple of governerships, and take it as an endorsement to continue to be the party of “Ideas that Sounded Great Back in the Sixties”. > [@Shodan](#): > > There has to be a rabidly foam-flecked Democratic asshole for Hilary to look moderate in comparision to. Kerry is filling that role in this instance. > > He is not going to be nominated again, so he is sacrificing his political capital as senior Democrat to draw the Anybody But Bush crowd together into a Anybody But Anybody Associated With Bush crowd. Alito was nominated by Satan; therefore Alito is Satan. > [@Shodan](#): > > Here we have an OP alleging to be a list of the “13 Most Corrupt Members of Congress”. Why 13? Probably 14 thru 25 of the list would be mostly Democrats. > > And the mere mention of a Congressman who is not on the list, but is at least as corrupt as anyone who was, triggers the usual barrage of belittlement - because he is a Democrat. > > I suspect this kind of “I don’t want to hear about it if it affects the Democrats” underlies much of the idea hereabouts that Republicans are more evil than Democrats. Because you guys only pay attention to one side. > [@Shodan](#): > > Democrats were looking for something to distract the public from the latest barrage of stupidity from dolts like Durbin and Dean. Rove gave them something. I honestly don’t have the time to go through all the threads in which you bashed Democrats. I couldn’t find a better way to search for them other than “Shodan” and “Democrat”… but even so, I got so many hits that I don’t have time to cut-n-paste 'em all. I leave this as an exercise for the reader. If you’re going to be partisan, at least have the balls to admit it. If you’re really mocking those who say “Party before Truth”, you need to be the first to admit that you’re guilty of the same thing. Looking over your posting history, however, I can easily see that you’ll never do such a thing. I wish I could respect such rock-hard political loyalty, but as I said- I think that’s the problem. Irregardless, Lightnin’ ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/31 "2006-06-13T17:25:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Fitzgerald hasn’t wrapped things up yet, and there still is the _Sealed_ matter - dare we speculate that he’s focused on \*Cheney \* as the source of the leak, not on the mere transmitters of it? At this point, I’m cynical enough to think they’re dragging feet to see how the November elections are going to go before moving forward with it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/32 "2006-06-13T17:36:02Z")
That would mean you think Fitzgerald has some baser motivation - what would that be? I’ll stick to the notion (and it’s no more than that) that Turd Blossom agreed to sell out Dead-Eye Dick to save his own sorry butt. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/33 "2006-06-13T17:36:15Z")
So, Rove takes a walk supposedly due to lack of evidence, but we keep people in cages and torture them at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib due to lack of evidence ? America in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/34 "2006-06-13T17:37:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That would mean you think Fitzgerald has some baser motivation - what would that be? “Let Rove off or your kids get hauled off and tortured”, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/35 "2006-06-13T17:50:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > If Rove does indeed walk, it is a tribute to the professionalism of Patrick Fitzgerald. If he could not come up with enough evidence to have a reasonable chance of getting a conviction, then the proper thing to do is not indict. Some prosecutors (like Starr) feel compelled to keep at it until they have something, no matter how small or removed from the scope of the investigation, to throw a charge at someone. At least Fitzgerald has the integrity to know when to fold the tent and pack up. ::bows:: Outstanding post. I know you’re no fan of this administration or of Rove, and so I very much appreciate the even-handedness of your analysis. Hear, hear. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/36 "2006-06-13T17:50:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That would mean you think Fitzgerald has some baser motivation - what would that be? > > I’ll stick to the notion (and it’s no more than that) that Turd Blossom agreed to sell out Dead-Eye Dick to save his own sorry butt. I don’t think it’s baser motivations at all. I think it’s more along the lines of trying to figure out how prosecutable this case is. It’s taken six years just to get some of the information out in the open. Four years ago, it would never have seen the light of day. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/37 "2006-06-13T18:24:30Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > **Lemur** , eat shit and live. **John Mace** disagrees with my politics. I love arguing with him. I will disagree with **Bricker** on so many things I can’t even list them, politically, but I respect his opinoin and his legal knowledge. > **Shodan** breaks rule #1 every chance he gets. He adds nothing to threads other than one line assholish comments that derail discussions and drags them down to mud slinging bitterness. He’s a fucking troll. Deal. Thank you, **Maureeen**. Perfect drawing of distinction between “articulate poster with ideas I disagree with” and “person who chooses to be a troll.” The disappointing part of the whole thing is that **Shodan** was once a competent debater who expressed minority views with clarity and wit. Why he chose to move under the bridge, I don’t know. (Perhaps his only companion is the city he lives in.) ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/38 "2006-06-13T18:36:17Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > So, let me get this straight. > > Clinton is investigated for six years and nothing can be proven, so that means **he did nothing wrong**. > > Rove is investigated for six years and nothing can be proven, so that means **he got away with it**. > > **That’s** party before country. Rove was investigated for six years about an event that happened in 2003? I think you’re trying too hard to draw parrallels between Rove and Clinton… ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/39 "2006-06-13T18:38:48Z")
I have to pity dummies like Shodan who still somehow believe that they are WINNING. ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556/40 "2006-06-13T18:39:38Z")
Rove was investigated because a crime was committed and not enough evidence was found to warrant an indictment. Clinton was investigated because of who he was, until someone hung around long enough to find something to charge him with. (And a pretty meaningless charge, but thats a whole other argument) There’s a pretty clear distinction there. Try again guys. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rove-takes-a-walk/360556.md?page=3)