# Roy Moore -- self-hating closeted gay man? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2017, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676 "2017-11-15T08:24:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/41 "2017-11-16T14:25:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Go to bed John, you’re drunk. Heh, I almost wrote “thank God” after that. Trust your instincts! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/42 "2017-11-16T15:18:30Z")
What always pings my gay-o-meter, as it were, are politicians who fervently insist that homosexuality is a choice. Because it makes me think that they actively “choose” not to be gay every minute of their lives. And they assume everyone has these inclinations and faces these temptations. In their eyes, only weak-willed sinners give in to these impulses that they assume everyone has. Now I’ve never really put RM in that group. Now the fundamental evangelicals are really weird about young girls, especially pretty ones, - they think they need a strong “headship” figure to keep them on the straight and narrow and they like to push young girls into relationships with older men before they are old enough to develop attractions to age appropriate guys. Now, Michele Bachman is the one that really strikes me as a closet case. Her and her reparative therapist husband are like a sitcom version of the gay man and gay woman who marry out of a desperate desire to be heterosexual. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/43 "2017-11-16T15:22:02Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’d say that close to 99% of the time, when someone claims to hate someone or something, they indeed hate it, period. Plain and simple as that. No ‘secret affection’ for that thing whatsoever. They mean what they say and they say what they mean. Nothing to hide, no inner mental confusion, etc. Didn’t Maya Angelou once say, “When people show you who they are, believe them?” It’s not hating something, it’s the specific phrasings. You never hear anybody say “we must fight the impulse to eat cauliflower!” or “we must fight the sin of baseball!” But a lot of the people who are obsessed with fighting this or that sexual practice/deviation/whatever have been caught with their pants down doing exactly the one thing that they specifically “need to fight” and other people do not as we don’t have the impulse. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/44 "2017-11-16T15:29:20Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There is a well documented link that the bible-belt states tend to view more gay porn (and more porn in general) than the more liberal states (which is not to say there is not high porn consumption in some liberal states). Pretty stupid article. Utah has more men under the age of 25 than any other state ([https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={“colId”:“Location”,“sort”:“asc”}](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D)), so it’s not all that surprising that the level of porn there consumption is high. Huge confounder. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/45 "2017-11-16T19:41:47Z")
[Another one](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/christian-gop-lawmaker-who-pushed-natural-marriage-resigns-after-same-sex-tryst-at-ohio-office/) for the file, but it still doesn’t seem like one of Moore’s sins. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/46 "2017-11-16T20:04:00Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > Pretty stupid article. Utah has more men under the age of 25 than any other state ([https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={“colId”:“Location”,“sort”:“asc”}](https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D)), so it’s not all that surprising that the level of porn there consumption is high. Huge confounder. Men under 25 are not religious in Utah? Men over 25 do not consume porn? What about all the other states? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/47 "2017-11-17T03:45:39Z")
Add another one to the pile: > [@](#): > > **A Republican ‘Family Values’ State Legislator Quits After Having Sex With a Man in His Office** > > An Ohio Republican state legislator who consistently touts his faith and his anti-LGBT stances resigned this week after being caught having sex with a man in his office. > > Representative Wes Goodman, who is married, was reportedly seen by someone who is not a staffer having sex with a man inside his Riffe Center office. The witness told Ohio House Chief of Staff Mike Dittoe of the situation early Tuesday afternoon, according to the Columbus Dispatch. > > \ > > This comes as a surprise to many constituents, because Goodman has consistently spoken about “natural marriage” being between a man and a woman. His campaign website, which is now offline, outlined his views on family: “Healthy, vibrant, thriving, values-driven families are the source of Ohio’s proud history and the key to Ohio’s future greatness. The ideals of a loving father and mother, a committed natural marriage, and a caring community are well worth pursuing and protecting.” > > Goodman’s twitter bio describes him as: “Christian. American. Conservative. Republican. Husband to @Beth1027.” > > SOURCE: [A Republican 'Family Values' State Legislator Quits After Having Sex With a Man in His Office - Newsweek](http://www.newsweek.com/republican-family-values-state-legislator-quits-sex-man-713821) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/48 "2017-11-17T05:38:58Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Add another one to the pile: Just had a thought. They’re always going on about _marriage_ being between a man and a woman. Nothing was ever said to suggest that applies to adultery. Loophole! ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/49 "2017-11-17T06:05:11Z")
The thing that usually sells the “closeted gay homophobe” stereotype is their ranting about “the homosexual lifestyle.” In their minds, being gay is a **choice** - because they make a choice every day to be straight, even though they’d really, really like to sleep with a man if their religion and their political ideology didn’t expressly forbid it. ETA: Looks like Ann beat me to it: > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > What always pings my gay-o-meter, as it were, are politicians who fervently insist that homosexuality is a choice. Because it makes me think that they actively “choose” not to be gay every minute of their lives. And they assume everyone has these inclinations and faces these temptations. In their eyes, only weak-willed sinners give in to these impulses that they assume everyone has. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/50 "2017-11-17T06:27:36Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Add another one to the pile: It’s all good, man. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/51 "2017-11-22T06:52:40Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I confess, when confronted by someone with vocal, virulent homophobic views my first instinct is to assume that they must be very insecure in their own sexuality and desires. That’s definitely a red flag for [male] closetry, especially (in my experience, anyway) when found in combination with one or more of the following: Overdone _machismo_. Overstated religious zealotry. Being a drunk – not a _drinker_,mind you, or a _heavy drinker_,but a _drunk_. Being a grown-up mama’s boy. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/52 "2017-11-26T21:49:47Z")
And yet one more example. [Anti-LGBT Conference Begins In Gayest Way Imaginable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_VX9V-eeQ) (If you want to skip ahead past the commentary click [here](https://youtu.be/cN_VX9V-eeQ?t=179) which is 3 minutes in.) Ok, that does not necessarily make that man gay but sure makes you go, “Hmmmmm…” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/53 "2017-11-26T21:53:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And yet one more example. > > [Anti-LGBT Conference Begins In Gayest Way Imaginable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_VX9V-eeQ) (If you want to skip ahead past the commentary click [here](https://youtu.be/cN_VX9V-eeQ?t=179)) > > Ok, that does not necessarily make that man gay but sure makes you go, “Hmmmmm…” :dubious: Wow. I was expecting show tunes. d&r ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/54 "2017-11-26T23:41:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Maybe it is the repression inherent in the conservative character when it comes to sex that makes it all the more titillating. The more taboo, the more arousing it is. There is a well documented link that the bible-belt states tend to view more gay porn (and more porn in general) than the more liberal states (which is not to say there is not high porn consumption in some liberal states). I’ve thought about that myself. To a lot of those in the identified demographic, perverted sex (meaning _anything and everything other than_ male-on-postpubescent-female) is perverted sex is perverted sex, all of it lumped together and _everyone is tempted by it_ and only fear of censure and punishment prevents us all from going for it – heck, they lumped it together expressly when they used to say accepting gay marriage would lead to incestuous or pedophile or bestial or inanimate-object marriage. It’s all the same to them so yeah, the more “bent” the more titillating. But Moore? Looks to me he just can’t stand TeH Gayz AND he is into grabbing himself some teenie poon – and he manifestly sees no issue with this. He’s a putz in his own right on several different matters at once. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/55 "2017-11-26T23:55:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And yet one more example. > > [Anti-LGBT Conference Begins In Gayest Way Imaginable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_VX9V-eeQ) (If you want to skip ahead past the commentary click [here](https://youtu.be/cN_VX9V-eeQ?t=179) which is 3 minutes in.) > > Ok, that does not necessarily make that man gay but sure makes you go, “Hmmmmm…” :dubious: I thought it was breathtakingly beautiful. “Love keeps no record of wrong”. So much truth. So much truth. And the commentary is just what I’m going to need tonight if I’m struggling to fall asleep. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676/56 "2017-11-27T05:31:39Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And yet one more example. > > [Anti-LGBT Conference Begins In Gayest Way Imaginable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN_VX9V-eeQ) (If you want to skip ahead past the commentary click [here](https://youtu.be/cN_VX9V-eeQ?t=179) which is 3 minutes in.) > > Ok, that does not necessarily make that man gay but sure makes you go, “Hmmmmm…” :dubious: It’s got to be hard being a comedian these days, when the right-wing is indistinguishable from a parody. I mean, seriously, you can’t make up something funnier than opening a meeting for Anti-Gay Crusaders with a flag twirling interpretative dance set to a song with the lyric “love keeps no record of wrong.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/roy-moore-self-hating-closeted-gay-man/801676.md?page=2)