# Rubio/Bush 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 3, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914 "2013-03-03T14:24:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/21 "2013-03-04T03:44:10Z")
> [@madetea](#): > > Having Rand Paul on the ticket might go some way to building bridges with the Paulista wing of the GOP after all the shenanigans at the RNC. He’d also raise a _ton_ of money, which couldn’t hurt. > > If they’re looking for someone who is reliably conservative but appears to be an ordinary human, then they might be looking at someone like Kelly Ayotte. Nikki Haley is one of those names that gets batted about a lot as well. I’d say Rubio is a sure thing for the top of the ticket, though. His coronation seems to have started several years ago now. His Coronation notwithstanding, Rubio’s a dunce, which becomes more evident every time he opens his mouth. I can see the GOP propping him up through the primaries, just as they did Romney, in a cynical ploy to swing Hispanics they believe are just stupid enough to vote for any brown face. The Republicans are convinced that all they need is a brown face on a ticket. This is also the reason for Nikki Haley’s and Bobby Jindal’s extended 15 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/22 "2013-03-04T06:54:36Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I can see the GOP propping him up through the primaries, just as they did Romney, in a cynical ploy to swing Hispanics they believe are just stupid enough to vote for any brown face. That’s probably part of the idea, but the Hispanics with TVs will see that Rubio is white, so it won’t get them very far. I think that most Latinos in the country don’t identify with white Hispanics, especially those whose family came with Cuban immigration privilege. Maybe the Republicans think that all they need is to get someone with a name that ends with a vowel (or a Z, in some cases) who can speak some Spanish, and Latinos won’t notice that he has nothing particularly interesting or new to say. Or even that they might overlook it when someone like Ted Cruz, another Republican great white Hispanic hope, immediately starts shameless political grandstanding and hackery before he’s got even a month in the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/23 "2013-03-04T07:20:00Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > WaPo is [calling it a Rubio/_Rand Paul_ race](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/12/rand-vs-rubio-the-2016-republican-primary-begins-tonight/). A Rand Paul nomination is just about the most wonderful thing a Democratic strategist could get for Christmas. The idea Randy Paul has any chance of the nomination, much less being elected, is absurd to the point of being nonsensical. Randy is totally lacking one of his father’s strongest talents - the ability to be charming while spouting utter nonsense. I think he has come across as something of a bully in most of his appearances on news shows. His father has always used his sense of humor to avoid seeming too much of a scold. Randy has failed miserably at that from what I’ve seen. Plus, if he runs there are bound to be plenty of reporters sniffing around in his past. I realize the average person won’t care too much about goofy college pranks but, the sort of things a nozey reporter could dig up won’t help Randy much with his religious base. Kolak of Twilo - Baylor University Class of '85 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/24 "2013-03-04T08:21:26Z")
Baylor? You’re the only person I know who admits it. The rest of them pretend they’re Aggies. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/25 "2013-03-04T08:28:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > There is no way the current Republican party would nominate a moderate like Huntsman at the top of the ticket. Inconceivable. Is Huntsman actually a moderate? The threads around here indicate that he’s actually pretty extremely conservative, in line with what you’d expect from a Utah conservative. It’s the mere fact that saying “I trust scientist on the science issue” is so rare in a republican that he comes out looking like a moderate. That’s how far they’ve fallen. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/26 "2013-03-04T09:03:34Z")
Even if he’s not really a moderate (and I also think he’s not), I wonder if the idea that he is is too entrenched for primary voters to take a second look. ---
**Author:** ![Oedipus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Oedipus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oedipus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/27 "2013-03-04T13:24:46Z")
Does Christie stand any chance seeing that he didn’t get invited to CPAC? Would Rubio be a better VP than he would POTUS? I mean, it seems like all the republicans are worried about now is capturing enough of the demographic to get to 270 and thats it. ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/28 "2013-03-04T13:37:54Z")
Chris Christie is more interested in getting re-elected in New Jersey next year. The problem is that in order to do so, he’ll have to stake out positions that are completely unacceptable to the Republican base (see: Sandy relief, Medicaid expansion, etc.). I used to think that the desire to win the White House after eight years of Obama would have been enough to get the Tea Party base to sign on to a Christie candidacy, but nothing I’ve seen over the last three or four years makes me think that they’ll do anything quite so sane. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/29 "2013-03-04T14:14:53Z")
Huntsman was moderate enough to get an Obama appointment. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/30 "2013-03-04T15:17:22Z")
> [@Oedipus](#): > > Does Christie stand any chance seeing that he didn’t get invited to CPAC? Would Rubio be a better VP than he would POTUS? I mean, it seems like all the republicans are worried about now is capturing enough of the demographic to get to 270 and thats it. I’m pretty sure the footage of Christie touring hurricane-damaged areas in New Jersey with Obama is going to kill him in the Republican primaries. Not to mention his recent criticism of the NRA and John Boehner. ---
**Author:** ![Oedipus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Oedipus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oedipus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/31 "2013-03-04T15:52:31Z")
_waves both fists in air and cries out_ THEN WHOOOOO?!?!?!?! We’ve ruled out Huntsman and Christie because they don’t match the party groupthink but then we can’t have Rubio because he’s a lightweight and Jeb has the poisonous Bush name attached to him. I honestly don’t see any republican congress leadership stepping up… _fearful voice_ dont…no no no…don’t tell mewe gonna have… **RYAN/JINDAL 2016** Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!1! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/32 "2013-03-04T16:06:47Z")
> [@Oedipus](#): > > _fearful voice_ > dont…no no no…don’t tell mewe gonna have… > > **RYAN/JINDAL 2016** > > Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!1! Shhh, you’ll queer the deal! That is the dream ticket for a liberal democrat to run against. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/33 "2013-03-04T22:51:27Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > The Republicans are convinced that all they need is a brown face on a ticket. You’d think they would’ve learned from 2008’s “All we need is a vagina on the ticket” debacle. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/34 "2013-03-04T23:12:37Z")
Jeb will be at the top of the ticket (which I think is unlikely to happen), or not on it at all. Maybe his dad had to be veep in order to position himself to become prez, but it’s clear that BushClan thinks the vice-presidency is beneath them now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/35 "2013-03-04T23:31:12Z")
Jeb is just coming out with a platform on undocumented immigrants… [http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/03/04/1670121/jeb-bush-denying-undocumented-immigrants-citizenship-is-absolutely-vital/](http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/03/04/1670121/jeb-bush-denying-undocumented-immigrants-citizenship-is-absolutely-vital/) > [@](#): > > …According to an advanced copy obtained by the Huffington Post’s Elise Foley, Bush writes, “It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences — in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship.” … So, you can stay and work at whatever job we have for you. Pay your taxes, play by the rules, fuck up and we drop kick you over the border. But you will never ever get to vote, because that would be wrong. And he will look you right in the eye and swear that the likelihood of you’re voting Dem has nothing whatever to do with it. Shit. Maybe the best we can do, maybe all we can get. Better than breaking up families, better than sending kids who grew up American to fend for themselves in Mexico or Guatemala. Its not awful, its just not good. Perhaps it will bring Hispanic-Americans stampeding to support Republicans. Perhaps I am the Queen of Romania. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/36 "2013-03-05T00:20:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Huntsman was moderate enough to get an Obama appointment. And he just signed the “conservatives for gay marriage” amicus brief to SCOTUS. Being on that list will make it impossible to win a nation-wide GOP primary until 2020, IMO. I truly hope I’m wrong, but it would be staggering to me to see a GOP presidential candidate support gay marriage as soon as 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/37 "2013-03-05T00:24:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > \ ***Zakalwe** might be along to correct me. _blush_ Oh my. I’ve been called and must respond! Yeah, you’re about right. The only thing I would add is that Jeb has proven that he does not work well with legislative bodies. Fortunately, if elected POTUS that won’t be an issue… My favorite story about him is the “no acronyms allowed in government”\* order. Then a reporter asks him where he got the name JEB from. The look on his face was truely priceless. - He wasn’t really wrong in this. Government does use too many insider terms and acronyms. It’s just that he was SO emphatic and absolute with it. A lesson all politicians should learn. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/38 "2013-03-05T00:31:39Z")
Has anyone ever seen elucidator and the Queen of Romania in the same room at the same time??? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/39 "2013-03-05T00:38:59Z")
What the Pubs need, obviously, is somebody both the Tea Party/paleocon/theocon wing and the moderate/corporatist wing can enthusiastically support. _crickets_ ---
**Author:** ![harmonicamoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@harmonicamoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmonicamoon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/40 "2013-03-05T00:41:29Z")
I really like Huntsman. I remember when he was governor of Utah. And he said, “gays are people, too”. Although this wasn’t a big revelation for most of the US, it was HUGE in Mormonlandia. And it got them to thinking, which is a good thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914.md?page=3)