# Rubio/Bush 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 3, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914 "2013-03-03T14:24:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/41 "2013-03-05T00:41:33Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Has anyone ever seen elucidator and the Queen of Romania in the same room at the same time??? Well, yes, once, but I can’t prove it . . . I sold **elucidator** the negatives . . . most of them . . . ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/42 "2013-03-05T02:24:31Z")
Elizabeth Warren and Chelsea Clinton will crush them in the debates. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/43 "2013-03-05T03:22:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Jeb is just coming out with a platform on undocumented immigrants… He’s another one jumping on the “Republicans have to change their message” bandwagon. One of them will get the nomination in 2016. But they and the “double down on principles” crew are going to tear each other up until at least 2014 before that reality sinks in. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/44 "2013-03-05T03:23:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Elizabeth Warren and Chelsea Clinton will crush them in the debates. Oooooh, I like the way you think but I think it may be one cycle too early. And Jeb will most assuredly run in 2016. I’m also not so convinced the Bush name is total poison to the Republican party base. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/45 "2013-03-05T03:30:31Z")
I still don’t understand the undying fascination with Jeb Bush. I know he has links to the Hispanic community and he was the governor of Florida - although of course you could have given the Republicans Florida in 2008 and 2012 and they still wouldn’t have come close to winning - and he’s got links to the Hispanic community, but that really doesn’t sound like enough to me. And he seems to be changing his mind about immigration reform a bit. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/46 "2013-03-05T03:45:16Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Oooooh, I like the way you think but I think it may be one cycle too early. > > And Jeb will most assuredly run in 2016. I’m also not so convinced the Bush name is total poison to the Republican party base. Yep, one should never forget the crazification factor. 😃 [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification\_factor](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification_factor) > [@](#): > > Crazification factor is a neologism coined by blogger John Rogers to refer to the portion of the electorate comprising the nuttiest of the wingnuts and the batshit crazy. In Rogers’ words: > > “Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That’s crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.”[1] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/47 "2013-03-05T14:40:42Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > _blush_ Oh my. I’ve been called and must respond! Well, you _did_ correct me on him once. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/48 "2013-03-05T16:02:08Z")
“Romney! Tan, rested, and ready!” Ummm, no… “Romney! Tell him what you want to hear, and he’ll tell you!” Complicated. “Oh, fuck it, Romney! What difference does it make, anyway?” Ah! ---
**Author:** ![Kepler1571](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kepler1571](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepler1571)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/49 "2013-03-05T17:51:02Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What the Pubs need, obviously, is somebody both the Tea Party/paleocon/theocon wing and the moderate/corporatist wing can enthusiastically support. The 7 or 8 paleocons left in America would be extremely upset with that grouping… As far as getting the TP and the corporate cons together, what they need is a religious bigot with money. [Wait, wait, don’t tell me](http://freethoughtblogs.com/bluecollaratheist/files/2012/01/pat-Robertson.jpg)… ---
**Author:** ![Kepler1571](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kepler1571](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepler1571)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/50 "2013-03-05T18:01:28Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I still don’t understand the undying fascination with Jeb Bush. I know he has links to the Hispanic community and he was the governor of Florida - although of course you could have given the Republicans Florida in 2008 and 2012 and they still wouldn’t have come close to winning - and he’s got links to the Hispanic community, but that really doesn’t sound like enough to me. And he seems to be changing his mind about immigration reform a bit. The fascination is the recognition that there is an extremely well-financed power center that is activated whenever any Bush is mentioned. And it’s honestly hard to argue with the theory that a faction that could get Dubya elected should never be underestimated. Jeb doesn’t seem particularly bright, but compared to his brother he’s Richard Feynman. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/51 "2013-03-05T19:20:32Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Rubio and Bush will never happen. Rubio’s an intellectual lightweight (not that this is a negative for a Republican ticket) and simply el Cubanito del momento. And Bush has the enduring baggage of being a Bush. Why in the world would anyone consider this a dream ticket? It’s _my_ dream ticket… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/52 "2013-03-05T19:25:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The corporatist wing of the Republican Party will finally accept that its marriage to the Troglodyte Right is a slow form of _hara-kiri_. They will purge the Tea Party fanatics by the simple expedient of refusing to fund them. They will further step on the oxygen tube by pressuring the rich sponsors to fall in line, because even the Koch Brothers need accounts receivable. > > They wll model themselves on the ideal conservative: accepting of progress but only cautioning prudence and care, and preserving traditional values while adhering to an egalitarian ethic. They will accept, at least for the foreseeable future, the status of the Loyal Opposition while stressing the value of their input. The highest Broderism will sweep across the land and the prevailing debate in their ranks is whether or not Hunstman is too extreme. Obama and Jon Stewart will be invited to speak at their next convention… > > Me? Tequila and bongwater, why do you ask? Because you’re beginning to levitate… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/53 "2013-03-05T19:29:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Jeb will be at the top of the ticket (which I think is unlikely to happen), or not on it at all. Maybe his dad had to be veep in order to position himself to become prez, but it’s clear that BushClan thinks the vice-presidency is beneath them now. Hmmm. So we know that there’s one Bush who doesn’t find the VP slot beneath him. Howzabout **Jeb/GHW 2016**? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/54 "2013-03-05T20:43:43Z")
> [@Kepler1571](#): > > Jeb doesn’t seem particularly bright, but compared to his brother he’s Richard Feynman. Exactly this. And the fact he is pretty much the only Republican at this point with national name recognition who is capable of making a speech or being interviewed and not instantly alienating 50.1% of the voting public. Of course, maybe those two things go hand in hand. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/55 "2013-03-05T21:16:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Jeb is just coming out with a platform on undocumented immigrants… > > [http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/03/04/1670121/jeb-bush-denying-undocumented-immigrants-citizenship-is-absolutely-vital/](http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/03/04/1670121/jeb-bush-denying-undocumented-immigrants-citizenship-is-absolutely-vital/) […and he’s already changed his mind.](http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/03/05/1672941/jeb-bush-disagrees-with-his-own-book-hours-after-its-published/) ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/56 "2013-03-05T23:06:15Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > […and he’s already changed his mind.](http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/03/05/1672941/jeb-bush-disagrees-with-his-own-book-hours-after-its-published/) Oh yeah, he’s ready. See, that’s what happens when you misread the political climate and allow it to be the barometer for your principles. Dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/57 "2013-03-06T00:18:36Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, you _did_ correct me on him once. 🙂 I don’t like to think of it as _correcting_ you so much as offering an inside-the-Tallahassee “beltway” viewpoint. Either way ole Jeb will put on a hell of a show, but would be toast in a 2016 election. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/58 "2013-03-07T00:10:00Z")
> [@Kepler1571](#): > > The 7 or 8 paleocons left in America would be extremely upset with that grouping… Paleocons are all about restricting immigration and scaling down federal government and social conservatism. How do you think Tea Partiers feel about those things? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/59 "2013-03-08T18:35:48Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Maybe the Republicans think that all they need is to get someone with a name that ends with a vowel (or a Z, in some cases) who can speak some Spanish, and Latinos won’t notice that he has nothing particularly interesting or new to say. Or even that they might overlook it when someone like Ted Cruz, another Republican great white Hispanic hope, immediately starts shameless political grandstanding and hackery before he’s got even a month in the Senate. Or until the birthers discover Cruz was born in Canada: [Tea Party Star Fires up GOP - Just Don’t Ask Him About Canada](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/tea-party-star-ted-cruz-fires-up-gop-just-dont-ask-him-about-canada/article4505120/) > [@](#): > > But ask him about his Canadian roots – he was born in Calgary – and the same glaze passes over his face as the one a former ambassador’s wife said she witnessed whenever she mentioned the Great White North south of the border. > > Does Mr. Cruz, 41, maintain dual citizenship? > > “Houston has been my home and where I grew up,” is all he offers, walking purposefully in his cowboy boots toward the Tampa Convention Center. > > So, no identification with Canada? > > “Texas is my home.” > > Mr. Cruz left Calgary when he was four. So, it is perhaps understandable that his only enduring memory of his birthplace is that “ it was cold.” ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914/60 "2013-03-21T18:52:49Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Or until the birthers discover Cruz was born in Canada: > > [Tea Party Star Fires up GOP - Just Don’t Ask Him About Canada](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/tea-party-star-ted-cruz-fires-up-gop-just-dont-ask-him-about-canada/article4505120/) Holy crap you almost gave me a heart attack! I was worried for a second this fool wouldn’t be eligible to run for President. Thankfully it looks like both his parents were U.S. citizens just working in Canada at the time of his birth. As for the Tea Party folks - I doubt they will have any problem finding a reason why his situation is different. I just hope he ends up somewhere on the ticket in 2016 or 2020. His obnoxious nutbaggery would pretty much guarantee a Republican defeat. **Paul/Cruz 2016** , yeah that’s the ticket! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-bush-2016/651914.md?page=4)