# Rubio won't back his own immigration bill **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 5, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242 "2013-06-05T21:24:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/141 "2013-06-14T04:41:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No one fears bilingualism, as in people speaking more than one language. What is to be feared, based on the experience of every country in the world, is people living together and not understanding one another. > > Balkanization never works out. And having your cake and eating it too is not a consistent way of debating either. The fact remains that the biggest proponents of English only are also the ones most opposed to Bilingual education. They are also the most opposed to the immigration reform, it is way passed the time to assume that is just a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/142 "2013-06-14T05:06:26Z")
What I worry about with these extra requirements is that they may lead to a semi-permanent underclass of low-paid workers. Americans are mostly decent folks, but they ain’t paying five dollars a head for iceberg lettuce. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/143 "2013-06-14T05:41:25Z")
The requirements aren’t what creates that. citizenship has nothing to do with economics. What creates the permanent underclass is importing poor people and then letting them get by without learning English, which is a necessary requirement to pick up skills in this country. If you can’t speak English in the US, it’s no better than being illiterate. You’ll never be able to do anything but simple manual labor. The English requirement works in conjunction with one of the other requirements, which is that in order to obtain permanent legal status, an immigrant must not be likely to become a burden on the welfare system. If you can’t speak English, it’s is a given that you will be receiving a lot of taxpayer assistance. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/144 "2013-06-14T05:54:35Z")
Of course obvious points are good filler, specially when used to avoid dealing with what the Republicans are doing in the real world. I already pointed at the examples of what Republicans are doing to prevent immigrants from going to school to learn English, among other things. ---
**Author:** ![RadioActiveRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@RadioActiveRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioActiveRich)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/145 "2013-06-14T08:28:17Z")
Be careful when citing what “Republicans” want when it comes to immigration reform. As proven by Senators McCain, Graham, and others as well as George W, while he was President, what Republican politicians want isn’t what a pretty large part of the Republican base wants. Also when you take into account what Conservative lobbyists like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce say versus what Conservative activists say you see two diametrically opposing stands as well. Republicans don’t move as a block on this issue. I really don’t think Democrats do either, but it depends on what specific aspect of reform you’re talking about. I personally would like to see existing laws enforced and some serious consideration of what that would cost. It is virtually impossible to show math that demonstrates that enforcement (including deportation) would cost more than three decades of virtually no enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/146 "2013-06-14T14:06:30Z")
> [@](#): > > The requirements aren’t what creates that. citizenship has nothing to do with economics. It absolutely does. Employers of illegal aliens often treat them like dirt, and can get away with treating them like dirt in large part because their employees, not being citizens, can’t take advantage of many of our societal safeguards. If a citizen’s workplace is unsafe, or he’s paid less than minimum wage, or whatever, he can take his employer to court. If an alien tries that, he gets deported. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/147 "2013-06-14T14:13:31Z")
Illegal aliens, yes. Legalization fixes those problems, maybe. Probably won’t help if the legals just get fired and replaced with more illegals. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/148 "2013-06-14T16:54:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But anyway, Yogosouth, I see your point on the merits of the POLICY, but on the politics, learning English is a must if Americans are to support legalization and eventual citizenship. Don’t require it, and support for the bill evaporates. > [@adaher](#): > > I agree, the second generation tends to assimilate just fine. But if that first generation wants citizenship, they have to pass that exam. Why? If the second generation assimilates as we all know they do, and you’ve acknowledged that, so what if the first generation can’t speak english? It won’t lead to your fear of Balkanization. Unless you think these english-speaking 2nd geners are going to suddenly try to take back California for Mexico or something > [@adaher](#): > > The requirements aren’t what creates that. citizenship has nothing to do with economics. What creates the permanent underclass is importing poor people and then letting them get by without learning English, which is a necessary requirement to pick up skills in this country. > > If you can’t speak English in the US, it’s no better than being illiterate. You’ll never be able to do anything but simple manual labor. > > The English requirement works in conjunction with one of the other requirements, which is that in order to obtain permanent legal status, an immigrant must not be likely to become a burden on the welfare system. If you can’t speak English, it’s is a given that you will be receiving a lot of taxpayer assistance. You just said the 2nd generation will assimilate fine! So what if their parents can’t speak english? How many immigrants immediately get rich in their adopted country anyway? > [@adaher](#): > > Illegal aliens, yes. Legalization fixes those problems, maybe. Probably won’t help if the legals just get fired and replaced with more illegals. Which won’t really happen if people aren’t being afraid of deportation if they call the police. And if we have immigration reform that allows people who live and work here to be citizens ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/149 "2013-06-14T17:01:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Balkanized like Switzerland, say? > > Of course, India and China each have even more languages than Switzerland, but I suppose you would argue that they don’t count for some reason. India’s [not a very good example](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations_of_Tamil_Nadu). There were language riots as recently as the 80s. > [@RadioActiveRich](#): > > It is virtually impossible to show math that demonstrates that enforcement (including deportation) would cost more than three decades of virtually no enforcement. Citation needed. ---
**Author:** ![RadioActiveRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@RadioActiveRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioActiveRich)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/150 "2013-06-15T00:00:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Citation needed. Ice Director Kibble reported that deportation of an adult illegal not in custody would cost just under $13,000. Average illegal family has at least two kids. At least! Thats $20,000 per year in public schools. Five years of school is $100,000.00 and the average earning of an illegal family is below the poverty line. Let’s assume $30,000 instead. (that’s higher) So, $150,000 in earnings with three dependents making the tax around $30,000. Even if you assume total payment of taxes due and 100% efficiency of the tax dollar (which can’t happen) you wind up with a $70,000 debt and that’s just for schooling. Deport that family at a cost of $52,000 (even though the kids don’t cost that much) and you still save tens of thousands. Every year after that you save the full bill. This doesn’t account for medical, entitlements, infrastructure, law enforcement, etc. In 2011 then director Kumar Kibble testified to this cost before Congress. The rest is estimates based on ICE stats, Center for Immigration Studies data, and common sense. They’re poor. Their tax liability can NEVER cover the education bill unless those kids grow up and don’t have kids. Also, you have the legal option to fine the employer of any illegal $10,000 offsetting part of the cost of the deportations. Of course, you can say, “What if they come back?” and that makes the very strong point that without border enforcement, we’re doomed no matter what we do. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/151 "2013-06-15T00:07:34Z")
Interesting that a previous poster tried to bring up Switzerland in order to debunk my assertion. Switzerland is quite balkanized, just peacefully so. Primarily because each canton is self-governing in a way that liberals would never tolerate here. If you agree to regions speaking different languages, then you agree to weakening the federal government, just as is the case in Canada, Belgium, and yes, Switzerland. Or, we could go the China route and squelch all expressions of nationalism by force other than loyalty to the state. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/152 "2013-06-15T00:15:21Z")
> [@RadioActiveRich](#): > > Ice Director Kibble reported that deportation of an adult illegal not in custody would cost just under $13,000. > > Average illegal family has at least two kids. At least! Thats $20,000 per year in public schools. Five years of school is $100,000.00 and the average earning of an illegal family is below the poverty line. Let’s assume $30,000 instead. (that’s higher) So, $150,000 in earnings with three dependents making the tax around $30,000. > > Even if you assume total payment of taxes due and 100% efficiency of the tax dollar (which can’t happen) you wind up with a $70,000 debt and that’s just for schooling. > > Deport that family at a cost of $52,000 (even though the kids don’t cost that much) and you still save tens of thousands. Every year after that you save the full bill. > > This doesn’t account for medical, entitlements, infrastructure, law enforcement, etc. > > In 2011 then director Kumar Kibble testified to this cost before Congress. The rest is estimates based on ICE stats, Center for Immigration Studies data, and common sense. > > They’re poor. Their tax liability can NEVER cover the education bill unless those kids grow up and don’t have kids. Also, you have the legal option to fine the employer of any illegal $10,000 offsetting part of the cost of the deportations. > > Of course, you can say, “What if they come back?” and that makes the very strong point that without border enforcement, we’re doomed no matter what we do. You do not keep with the news uh? > **[Deporting All Of America's Illegal Immigrants Would Cost A Whopping $285 Billion](https://www.businessinsider.com/deporting-all-of-americas-illegal-immigrants-would-cost-a-whopping-285-billion-2012-1)** > > The cost of deporting illegal immigrants in America could reach $285 billion, raising economic concerns. > [@](#): > > A year ago, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble told Congress it costs about $12,500 to deport an undocumented immigrant. > > However, a 2010 report by Center for American Progress and Rob Paral and Associates took a close look at all the budget appropriations for ICE and broke down the costs per person for each one of the four stages of deportation process: apprehension, detention, legal proceeding and transportation. The whopping cost of deportation per person that they came up with is $23,480. > > The report states that ICE and US Customs and Borders Protection budgets have increased by 80% since 2005, amounting to $17.1 billion in FY2010. If US were to undertake a mass deportation campaign its cost over five years would be $285 billion, which “would mean new taxes of $922 for every man, woman, and child in our country. $5,100 fewer dollars for the education of every public and private school student from prekindergarten to the 12th grade.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/153 "2013-06-15T00:34:41Z")
That’s why part of the reform should be an expedited process. People who overstay visas shouldn’t be entitled to access to our courts. It should be like an eviction of someone who overstays a lease. You’re supposed to leave on June 25, you get a knock on your door on June 26. The bill mandates an entry/exit system, so we’re going to have a database of every single visitor who overstays. And these aren’t even immigrants. Just visitors. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/154 "2013-06-15T00:38:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Interesting that a previous poster tried to bring up Switzerland in order to debunk my assertion. > > Switzerland is quite balkanized, just peacefully so. Primarily because each canton is self-governing in a way that liberals would never tolerate here. > > If you agree to regions speaking different languages, then you agree to weakening the federal government, just as is the case in Canada, Belgium, and yes, Switzerland. > > Or, we could go the China route and squelch all expressions of nationalism by force other than loyalty to the state. Actually the normal in Switzerland is that most speak more than one language. > **[Error](https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/meta/error.html)** > [@](#): > > Switzerland has four national languages, some of which are spoken more widely than others. > > ``` > German (65.5%): Two-thirds of the population live in Switzerland’s 17 German-speaking cantons. Each canton has its own distinct dialects, collectively known as “Swiss German”. The written language, however, is standard German. > French (23%): Western Switzerland (“Suisse romande”) is home to the country’s native French speakers. The cantons of Geneva, Vaud, Neuchâtel and Jura are exclusively French-speaking, while the cantons of Berne, Fribourg and Valais are bilingual (French and German). > Italian (8.5%): Italian is the official language of Ticino and four southern valleys of Graubünden, but often instead of standard Italian, Lombard dialects are spoken in rural areas and in some towns. > Rumantsch (0.6%): This language with Latin roots is spoken in the only trilingual canton, Graubünden. The other two languages spoken there are German and Italian. Rumantsch is the least spoken of the four national languages. > > ``` > > Most Swiss speak more than one language, be it another national language or English. Of course, as pointed before in a different thread, the weakness of the federal government leads to things like denying the vote to women until recently. > **[Switzerland's Government and Politics](http://swiss-government-politics.all-about-switzerland.info/)** > > Switzerland's political system > [@](#): > > While Switzerland’s electorate has more rights of participation than in any other country and makes extensive use of them, women’s right to vote was introduced relatively late in Switzerland: In 1959 a first canton introduced it on cantonal and (within its territory) on communal level on the very day a 67% majority of the national male electorate rejected the introduction on the national level. Only in 1971, women got the right to vote on national level and the last canton was forced by the federal court to introduce it on cantonal and communal level as late as 1990 (referring to a 1981 amendment of the federal constitution that explicitly grants equal rights to men and women). That was also the main reason why they were also late in Europe to get universal health care, today even the leader of the opposition to that has admitted that he was wrong. And that is only mentioned to deal with the idea that we would be looking to weaken the federal government to be like them, sometimes solutions some hate do come even under a weak federal government. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/155 "2013-06-15T00:49:27Z")
Thing is, if we foresee a future in which large swathes of the Southeast are majority Hispanic, they aren’t going to tolerate a mostly Anglo DC telling them how to live. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/156 "2013-06-15T01:19:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Thing is, if we foresee a future in which large swathes of the Southeast are majority Hispanic, they aren’t going to tolerate a mostly Anglo DC telling them how to live. I don’t think so, as even with gerrymandering Hispanics influence in elections and government will increase in the future. > **[An Awakened Giant: The Hispanic Electorate is Likely to Double by 2030](https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2012/11/14/an-awakened-giant-the-hispanic-electorate-is-likely-to-double-by-2030/)** > > The record number of Latinos who cast ballots for president this year are the leading edge of an ascendant ethnic voting bloc that is likely to double in size within a generation, according to a Pew Hispanic Center analysis based on U.S. Census... Incidentally most do want to live by following the culture of the nation: CNN PRESENTS Latino in America: Chasing the Dream > **[CNN.com - Transcripts](https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cp/date/2009-10-25/segment/01)** > [@](#): > > O’BRIEN (voice-over): It’s opening day in the Los Angeles suburb of Pico Rivera, and the scene is pure Americana. Hot dogs, popcorn, cotton candy. > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go. > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Awesome. > > O’BRIEN: And, of course – > > (SINGING) > > O’BRIEN: But take a closer look at the jerseys, the faces. These kids are Fuentes, Vazquez, Aramentaz, Garcia, Lopez, and Martinez. That’s because Pico Rivera is 92 percent Latino, and as American as apple pie. > [@](#): > > O’BRIEN: As the demographics of our nation change, we wonder whether a place like this could be a window into the future. So I asked Bob for a tour of the nine square miles known as Pico Rivera. > > (on camera): It looks like a movie set. > > SPENCER: A little bit it does. You see American flags. There’s American flag. > > O’BRIEN: Another one down there. > > SPENCER: There’s one there. There’s one here. > > O’BRIEN (voice-over): In the early 1900s, Pico Rivera was mostly farmland. After World War II, veterans, mostly young and white, began moving in. And then came a manufacturing boom. > > Fast forward to 2008. Pico Rivera celebrates its 50th anniversary. The town is flourishing, but the faces have changed. > > GALLEGOS: Pico Rivera turned predominantly Latino probably somewhere in the early '70s. Folks were just moving to other communities, and Latinos just filled in the gaps. > > O’BRIEN: For decades, a move to Pico was a move up. Latinos came here from the barrios of east L.A. looking for cheap housing and manufacturing jobs. But as the demographics changed, new businesses were slow to come. > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a challenge even getting a bookstore here. > > O’BRIEN (on camera): Really? > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because there was a misnomer that Latinos don’t read either. O’BRIEN: That Latinos wouldn’t buy books. > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, absolutely. > > O’BRIEN: And a community that’s 92 percent Latino would definitely not buy books. > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct. > > O’BRIEN: What do you think that means? They look at that 92 percent on paper and they think under-educated, low income, impoverished, don’t speak English? > > UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All of the above. > > O’BRIEN (voice-over): Those businesses that did come to Pico found huge success. This Borders is one of the chain’s top selling stores in the nation for Latino books. Today, Pico Rivera is solidly middle class. The median income here is nearly 60,000 dollars, and there’s a home ownership rate of 70 percent. Of course the economic downturn has affected all, even Borders books. But the point is that no, once integration comes most Hispanics respect American institutions, law and even culture. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/157 "2013-06-15T01:37:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > . . . Switzerland is quite balkanized, just peacefully so. Primarily because each canton is self-governing in a way that liberals would never tolerate here. . . . Would conservatives? If abortion were legal in California, and illegal in Arizona, wouldn’t AZ conservatives try to take measures to prevent travel for the purpose of obtaining one? If California had gay marriage, wouldn’t Arizona take measures to deny marriage benefits to couples from CA? Don’t conservatives spend a lot of money in political issues involving other states? U.S. uniformity of law isn’t a “liberal” or a “conservative” thing. It mostly comes from a distrust of a “patchwork quilt” arrangement of local laws that lead to conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/158 "2013-06-15T03:30:50Z")
Rubio seems to have a lot of reasons to not support his own bill. [Immigration Reform 2013 News: Marco Rubio Says He’s Done With Immigration Reform Bill If Gay Couples Amendment Added In](http://www.latinospost.com/articles/21444/20130614/immigration-reform-2013-news-marco-rubio-hes-done-bill-gay.htm) > [@](#): > > Sen. Rubio (R-Fla.), one of the lead members of the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” panel in the U.S. Senate proposing an immigration reform compromise bill, said on the radio Thursday that he would withdraw his support of the bill granting millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to U.S. citizenship if legislators add in an amendment permitting gay immigrants to claim foreign same-sex partners as family. > > “If this bill has something in it that gives gay couples immigration rights and so forth, it kills the bill. I’m done,” Sen. Rubio said during an interview on the Andrea Tantaros Show. “I’m off it, and I’ve said that repeatedly. I don’t think that’s going to happen and it shouldn’t happen. This is already a difficult enough issue as it is.” A five mintue video on why it should be added now and not later. [Missing Husband](http://www.upworthy.com/if-you-happen-across-this-couple-at-the-airport-please-give-them-a-hug-for-me) ---
**Author:** ![RadioActiveRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@RadioActiveRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioActiveRich)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/159 "2013-06-15T10:35:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Thing is, if we foresee a future in which large swathes of the Southeast are majority Hispanic, they aren’t going to tolerate a mostly Anglo DC telling them how to live. Don’t confuse the overly vocal “activist” Hispanics with every day working people. They aren’t as caught in the white versus brown paradigm as you might think. Just like any other Americans they want clean neighborhoods, good schools, and nice places to work and shop. And being “white” - I don’t want anglo D.C. telling me how to live my life. So, I don’t have a problem with their not wanting it either. ---
**Author:** ![RadioActiveRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df788c/32.png) [@RadioActiveRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioActiveRich)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242/160 "2013-06-15T10:37:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You do not keep with the news uh? > > [Deporting All of America's Illegal Immigrants Would Cost a Whopping $285 Billion - Business Insider](http://www.businessinsider.com/deporting-all-of-americas-illegal-immigrants-would-cost-a-whopping-285-billion-2012-1) Actually I do. Those numbers were inflated without justification. Can you site where the increase in costs were? No? Don’t feel bad. Nether could the two organizations that provided that “study”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rubio-wont-back-his-own-immigration-bill/660242.md?page=9)