# Rudy Giuliani for GOP vice president? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 25, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579 "2015-11-25T21:02:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/1 "2015-11-25T21:02:38Z")
It looks like another national security election in 2016 after Paris attacks, ISIS, and defense spending. Can you see a GOP candidate like a Marco Rubio or a Jeb Bush picking Former NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani (1994-2001)? Giuliani can appeal to the working class outerboros (Staten Island, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn) type that the GOP may need in 2016? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/2 "2015-11-25T21:10:55Z")
I don’t see it. There are [photos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_of_Rudy_Giuliani)of him wearing dresses. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it would hurt his chances. He did so poorly in 2008, I don’t see him as viable. Plus, he’s got immigration baggage that will piss off his base. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist110](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e4f/32.png) [@Futurist110](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futurist110)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/3 "2015-11-26T05:02:45Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t see it. There are [photos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_of_Rudy_Giuliani)of him wearing dresses. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it would hurt his chances. He did so poorly in 2008, I don’t see him as viable. Plus, he’s got immigration baggage that will piss off his base. Also, isn’t he pro-choice? ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/4 "2015-11-26T05:12:13Z")
> [@Futurist110](#): > > Also, isn’t he pro-choice? Yes, Giuliani is pro choice. However, he gives them a chance to win NY, NJ, DE, PA, NH. Giuliani can win some boroughs from the Democratic Party, even Staten Island, which is a Blue collar Irish / Italian borough. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/5 "2015-11-26T05:44:17Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Yes, Giuliani is pro choice. However, he gives them a chance to win NY, NJ, DE, PA, NH. Giuliani can win some boroughs from the Democratic Party, even Staten Island, which is a Blue collar Irish / Italian borough. Frankly, if New York were in play, then the Democrats would be in such deep doo-doo\* that the Republicans would win the general election in a walk regardless of their VP choice. \*To use a George H.W. Bush phrase ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/6 "2015-11-26T05:48:01Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Frankly, if New York were in play, then the Democrats would be in such deep doo-doo\* that the Republicans would win the general election in a walk regardless of their VP choice. > \*To use a George H.W. Bush phrase He can help the GOP in Staten Island and Queens. Working class Italian/Irish swing voters. Giuliani Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/7 "2015-11-26T05:57:19Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > He can help the GOP in Staten Island and Queens. Working class Italian/Irish swing voters. Giuliani Democrats. First we take Manhattan, then we take the world. Or the state. Individual boroughs don’t mean much compared to the entirety of New York State, which has been pretty safely blue for a good while now. Noun Verb 9/11 Giuliani is not exactly appealing to the more conservative states, which will matter given that Trump and/or Carson isn’t going to be in the top spot. It will be some relatively moderate establishment Republican who will need someone to shore up his right side. Rudy will fail to do that. My message to you: Rudy is not going to go one step beyond where he is now in the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/8 "2015-11-26T15:53:43Z")
Guiliani sacrificed his entire political future when he claimed that the 9/11 attacks never happened. I’m still not even sure what he sacrificed it for-- Such a claim would be absurd enough even coming from someone who wasn’t basing his entire campaign on that event. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/9 "2015-11-26T16:17:31Z")
Gi911ani is a pompous blowhard. His only fucking claim to fame is being mayor during 9/11 and he won’t stop fucking talking about it. For some reason the networks show his ugly puss on television to talk about terrorism from time to time, as if he knew his ass from his elbow about it. His 2008 campaign was pathetic and now that we’re 8 more years removed from the favorite day of his life, he has even less appeal now. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/10 "2015-11-26T16:51:51Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Gi911ani is a pompous blowhard. His only fucking claim to fame is being mayor during 9/11 and he won’t stop fucking talking about it. For some reason the networks show his ugly puss on television to talk about terrorism from time to time, as if he knew his ass from his elbow about it. His 2008 campaign was pathetic and now that we’re 8 more years removed from the favorite day of his life, he has even less appeal now. Giuliani is respected because he defeated David Dinkins in 1993, and he won Staten Island and Queens. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/11 "2015-11-26T16:59:54Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Giuliani is respected because he defeated David Dinkins in 1993, and he won Staten Island and Queens. I’m not sure you’re using the word “respected” correctly. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/12 "2015-11-26T17:25:34Z")
It’s still a year off until the election. A year ago, it was all Ebola, all the time. Republican vice presidential picks have been a crap shoot. There’s the pundit short list types like Paul Ryan and Jack Kemp picks but then the out of the blue types like Palin, Quayle, and even Cheney. I really don’t think a Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz want to remind people of the early 2000’s with a Giuliani pick for VP. Giuliani has mainly been on the C list in conference speaking engagements and a 3rd choice fill in for news shows that can’t get McCain or Lindsey Graham. He won’t be the VP, no person with nothing more than a mayorship has been nominated in modern times. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/13 "2015-11-27T04:02:24Z")
No considering you have TRUMP in the race. Its like expecting people to choose a Trabant or a Yugo over a Ferrari. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/14 "2015-11-27T04:13:40Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Giuliani is respected because he defeated David Dinkins in 1993, and he won Staten Island and Queens. In 2012, Obama won New York by more votes than were cast in Queens and Staten Island combined. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/15 "2015-11-27T04:47:15Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > No considering you have TRUMP in the race. Its like expecting people to choose a Trabant or a Yugo over a Ferrari. How about when the Ferrari has a bomb wired to the ignition? I’ll sweeten the deal and put a hand warmer in the Yugo’s back window. Bah. I bet you thought Perot had a chance, too. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/16 "2015-11-27T04:53:01Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > How about when the Ferrari has a bomb wired to the ignition? Then – at least, if the bomb is plutonium-based – you can use it to time-travel to the 1950s! 🙂 Which is what these stupid RW shitbags really want anyway . . . ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/17 "2015-11-27T14:06:20Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Giuliani is respected because he defeated David Dinkins in 1993, and he won Staten Island and Queens. I rather doubt it. Nobody remembers that now and nobody gives a shit what boroughs he carried. All he does now is get in front of a camera from time to time and masturbate about 9/11. He’s a one-trick pony. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/18 "2015-11-27T23:29:26Z")
Oh goody, he can spring [Bernard Kerik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kerik), his main man, from jail and make him head of Homeland Security, since he lost out last time. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/19 "2015-11-28T14:08:58Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Giuliani is respected because he defeated David Dinkins in 1993, and he won Staten Island and Queens. Pretty impressive, as long as you don’t take too much time thinking about the people who voted for him in 1993 who have died in the 23 years since. What has he accomplished in living memory? Especially considering the number of regisrered voters who weren’t even born when Giuliani beat Dinkins. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/20 "2015-11-28T16:34:04Z")
QuOTE=Bill Door;18894217]Pretty impressive, as long as you don’t take too much time thinking about the people who voted for him in 1993 who have died in the 23 years since. What has he accomplished in living memory? Especially considering the number of regisrered voters who weren’t even born when Giuliani beat Dinkins. [/QUOTE] Some of the Giuliani coalition is still alive. They’re in Staten Island, Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn. Some moved to Long Island, Florida, Virginia. They’re influential. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579.md?page=2)