# Rudy Giuliani for GOP vice president? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 25, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579 "2015-11-25T21:02:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/21 "2015-11-28T17:51:09Z")
This is going down pretty much the same path as the[Huckabee](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=776271) thread, so I’ll be brief. 1. Giuliani is pro-choice, which makes him unacceptable to a large portion of Republicans. Period. Full stop. Don’t even bother to argue it. 2. Giuliani’s 2008 campaign proved that he doesn’t bring a whole lot of game. 3. Every Congressional district in New York City except one (Staten Island) has a[Democratic representative in Congress.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_congressional_districts) Only two NYC districts in the state assembly (again, Staten Island) are represented by Republicans. Out of the 50 members of the New York City Council,[48 are Democrats.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Council)(Even one of Staten Island’s council members is a Democrat!) 4. [Obama actually won Staten Island narrowly in 2012.](http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/new-york/) 5. The “urban Northeastern governor who’s tough on crime” slot is already occupied by Chris Christie on the Republican side and Martin O’Malley on the Democratic. Look how well they’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/22 "2015-11-28T18:38:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Guiliani sacrificed his entire political future when he claimed that the 9/11 attacks never happened. I’m still not even sure what he sacrificed it for-- Such a claim would be absurd enough even coming from someone who wasn’t basing his entire campaign on that event. Wait, what? When did he do that? ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/23 "2015-11-28T19:14:27Z")
Giuliani would be like former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, both Northeasterners, but they are pro-choice Republicans. Ridge would be good for a Marco Rubio, he adds experience to a young Rubio who would be 45 on Election Day if nominated by the GOP. We’ll see if Ridge and Giuliani would be considered for vice president in 2016, with the way how national security is going now, they may be on top of the vice presidential shortlists. [http://articles.mcall.com/2008-08-22/news/4173313\_1\_pro-choice-republican-john-mccain-tom-ridge](http://articles.mcall.com/2008-08-22/news/4173313_1_pro-choice-republican-john-mccain-tom-ridge) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/24 "2015-11-28T20:07:37Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > First we take Manhattan, then we take the world. > > Or the state. > > Individual boroughs don’t mean much compared to the entirety of New York State, which has been pretty safely blue for a good while now. Noun Verb 9/11 Giuliani is not exactly appealing to the more conservative states, which will matter given that Trump and/or Carson isn’t going to be in the top spot. It will be some relatively moderate establishment Republican who will need someone to shore up his right side. Rudy will fail to do that. > > My message to you: Rudy is not going to go one step beyond where he is now in the GOP. I thought that you would appreciate knowing that at least one person got that reference. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/25 "2015-11-29T20:01:24Z")
Giulliani would be a great choice for VP and a great way to send a message to general election voters that the party is still a big tent. Very useful if Clinton goes hard left for her VP nominee, although I think that’s unlikely. As for Giuliani’s appeal in parts of New York, okay, that’s nice if you’re going for a higher popular vote total to make your mandate look bigger. Doesn’t do much in a close race. You pick Rudy for national reasons. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/26 "2015-11-30T00:01:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Giulliani would be a great choice for VP and a great way to send a message to general election voters that the party is still a big tent… …but since the party isn’t a big tent, Rudy ain’t getting the VP slot. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/27 "2015-11-30T01:27:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Captain Amazing** : > > Wait, what? When did he do that? [January 8, 2010](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/08/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-says-there-were-no-domestic-attacks-durin/): > [@](#): > > What he should be doing is following the right things that Bush did – one of the right things he did was treat this as a war on terror. We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We’ve had one under Obama If he were to run for anything, all his opponent would have to do would be to run that quote 24/7 in commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/28 "2015-11-30T05:23:11Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > How about when the Ferrari has a bomb wired to the ignition? > > I’ll sweeten the deal and put a hand warmer in the Yugo’s back window. > > Bah. I bet you thought Perot had a chance, too. I’m not sure why from the Democratic perspective, Giuliani is anymore preferable to Trump except for a thin varnish of supposed bourgeois respectability. But from the perspective of the Republican voter, there’s literally nothing Giuliani offers that Trump doesn’t have while Trump has the added attractions of being an immensely successful billionaire, incredible celebrity/publicity, and some “out of the box” thinking on trade, foreign policy, and a few other issues. I’m not sure why if these Republican voters aren’t going for Chris Christie (who basically is Giuliani’s surrogate without some of the added baggage of having previously taken culturally liberal stances), they’d be attracted to someone whose been out of any political office for over a decade and whose last presidential campaign in 2008 went from him being in the lead to self destructing quite spectecularly winning nor even doing well in any state. ---
**Author:** ![Loopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loopus/32/15343_2.png) [@Loopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/29 "2015-11-30T05:47:48Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > [January 8, 2010](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/08/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-says-there-were-no-domestic-attacks-durin/): > > If he were to run for anything, all his opponent would have to do would be to run that quote 24/7 in commercials. It’s pretty clear that Giuliani meant to say “after 9/11.” Which is still wrong, but you’d have to be pretty uncharitable to read him there as claiming that the 9/11 attacks never happened. He misspoke. Of course, Al Gore misspoke when he accidentally said he created the Internet, and people still today seem to think he meant to make such a ridiculous claim, so I guess the Giuliani quote would have legs as far as ammunition for his opponent goes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/30 "2015-11-30T14:38:58Z")
Maybe he meant to say that, but even if he meant that, and even if it were true, it’s still ludicrous. You can’t with any seriousness say that “Bush kept us safe”, when the largest attack in American history happened under his watch. It makes no sense to say “other than that, he kept us safe”. This is beyond even “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/31 "2015-11-30T15:10:08Z")
Doesn’t matter. Truth has no relevance to Republican voters. They live in the world as they wish it to be, and in that world Bush “kept us safe”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/32 "2015-11-30T16:02:09Z")
> [@Loopus](#): > > Of course, Al Gore misspoke when he accidentally said he created the Internet [Snopes disagrees](http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579/33 "2015-11-30T16:46:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Maybe he meant to say that, but even if he meant that, and even if it were true, it’s still ludicrous. You can’t with any seriousness say that “Bush kept us safe”, when the largest attack in American history happened under his watch. It makes no sense to say “other than that, he kept us safe”. This is beyond even “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”. [It’s also not true by any stretch of the imagination.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/08/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-says-there-were-no-domestic-attacks-durin/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rudy-giuliani-for-gop-vice-president/738579.md?page=1)