# Rumsfield claims a trained ape could manage war better than Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547 "2014-03-25T19:48:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/81 "2014-03-26T12:45:03Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Can someone dig up a quote from Rumsfeld where he tells us how important it is to support the current president in a time of war? Since Obama is managing the war so poorly, it’s not really accurate to say it is “a time of war.” That is a known known. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/82 "2014-03-26T12:49:45Z")
I fixed your comment: > [@](#): > > If you pit someone or comment on something on this board **criticizing something on the left** , you had best have your shit together. If you’re criticizing someone or something on the right, you could have an IQ of 6 and be half drunk and still wind up getting pats on the back. Sure, every once in a while **Der Trihs** to some other nincompoop will be taken to task as being an embarrassment for his own side, but the amount of both scrutiny and vitriol are parsecs apart. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/83 "2014-03-26T12:51:17Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I fixed your comment: > > If you’re criticizing someone or something on the right, you could have an IQ of 6 and be half drunk and still wind up getting pats on the back. Sure, every once in a while **Der Trihs** to some other nincompoop will be taken to task as being an embarrassment for his own side, but the amount of both scrutiny and vitriol are parsecs apart. You mean people tend to criticize those who disagree with them more than those who agree with them? Stop the presses! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/84 "2014-03-26T12:55:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You mean people tend to criticize those who disagree with them more than those who agree with them? Stop the presses! I mean that they ignore rank bias, stupidity, and suspensions in logic when the person misperceived as being on their side. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/85 "2014-03-26T13:00:39Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > If you decide that having a war is not worth the cost in lives and treasure, you don’t need to ‘run’ it. We are good at providing material for people who are actually threatened to help defend themselves. But Rummy already explained it: “You go to war with the army you have—not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.” ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/86 "2014-03-26T13:32:52Z")
Magellan, I appreciate your point, but you missed mine. Regardless of the side of the debate, on this board, you don’t come in with half assed crap. If someone moron lefty walks in with that weak shit, the same thing will happen. I make no comment to Charlie’s point other than :dubious: Everyone gets spanked here once in awhile for being dumb. The lengthy whine afterwards was unbecoming. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/87 "2014-03-26T14:02:22Z")
Don’t be too hard on magellan. His entire argumentative arsenal is half-assed crap. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/88 "2014-03-26T14:09:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What ever happened to Faye Raye? > > [SHE GOT FUCKED BY A 40-FOOT GORILLA!] > > That delicate satin-draped frame > > As it clung to her thigh > > How I started to cry > > [YOU’D REALLY CRY IF YOU GOT FUCKED BY A 40-FOOT GORILLA] > > Because I wanted to be dressed just the same . . . The lady who played Ann Darrow in the 1933 movie (and was heroine in other 30s movies like _Murder in the Wax Museum, The Most Dangerous Game_, and _The Vampire Bat_ was **Fay Wray** , with no "e"s in it. _Faye Raye_ is a gospel and blues singer ( [http://fayeraye.com/](http://fayeraye.com/) ). Unless you’re quoting from some song or poem that deliberately messes things up. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/89 "2014-03-26T14:24:11Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > The lady who played Ann Darrow in the 1933 movie (and was heroine in other 30s movies like _Murder in the Wax Museum, The Most Dangerous Game_, and _The Vampire Bat_ was **Fay Wray** , with no "e"s in it. _Faye Raye_ is a gospel and blues singer ( [http://fayeraye.com/](http://fayeraye.com/) ). Doesn’t matter, they **both** got fucked by a 40-foot gorilla! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/90 "2014-03-26T14:44:53Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I mean that they ignore rank bias, stupidity, and suspensions in logic when the person misperceived as being on their side. Yes. But this thread is a poor choice to highlight this truth, because the OP of this thread is so completely bereft of value that I’m confident that a similar thread crafted against a left-wing target would also garner mockery and rebuttal from the board community. I agree that the board is far more tolerant of logical error and stupidity when it is used in service of lefty causes. But this particular turd on the shoe of debate is so egregious that I don’t agree it exemplifies that imbalance: no matter where the line is drawn, that OP sucked. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/91 "2014-03-26T14:55:29Z")
It’s a wasted vote. Most apes are Libertarians and can’t get enough momentum to compete in a presidential race. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/92 "2014-03-26T15:36:08Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I’m just happy that we all have the ability to stand up and express our opinions in this society. That is the main point I now want to make. Yes in this great country you have the ability to spew whatever juvenile idiotic thing comes into your head. However that same freedom of speech gives us the right to point out that what you are spewing is in fact, juvenile and idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/93 "2014-03-26T15:44:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I Don’t know why anyone would listen to Rumsfield about anything. Oh be fair. If there’s one thing Rumsfeld’s an expert on, it’s how to fuck up the management of war. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/94 "2014-03-26T15:46:28Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Bullshit, Charlie. You didn’t read your own goddamned article. Go back to gargling whale sperm with the rest of the sea anemones; you’re not doing anyone any good on dry land. See how bad this guy is? He made y’all [disagree with HuffPo](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/donald-rumsfeld-trained-ape_n_5027750.html)! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/95 "2014-03-26T15:48:57Z")
> [@Peaton\_of\_peat](#): > > What the hell? He said he loves Freedom, you commie bastard. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/96 "2014-03-26T16:51:16Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Yes in this great country you have the ability to spew whatever juvenile idiotic thing comes into your head. However that same freedom of speech gives us the right to point out that what you are spewing is in fact, juvenile and idiotic. Why is it that when a person is criticized for exercising his or her freedom of speech by other people also exercising their freedom of speech, the person acts like he’s being persecuted for speaking his mind, or whatever equivalent of a mind he or she possesses? My Og that is one long, run-on mess of a sentence. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/97 "2014-03-26T16:53:56Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I’d still vote for an ape over Rumsfield. Racist. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/98 "2014-03-26T16:54:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. > > But this thread is a poor choice to highlight this truth, because the OP of this thread is so completely bereft of value that I’m confident that a similar thread crafted against a left-wing target would also garner mockery and rebuttal from the board community. > > I agree that the board is far more tolerant of logical error and stupidity when it is used in service of lefty causes. But this particular turd on the shoe of debate is so egregious that I don’t agree it exemplifies that imbalance: no matter where the line is drawn, that OP sucked. The Free Republic board, make sure to google it first and click on the paid for advertised per click link!, knows who to treat lefties. They ban them. If you want to post on politics with both lefties and righties, this is the place to do it if the comments sections of news sites are too idiotic for you. And whaddya know? Here we are! If you want more righties, invite them in. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/99 "2014-03-26T17:55:47Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > The Free Republic board, make sure to google it first and click on the paid for advertised per click link!, knows who to treat lefties. They ban them. If you want to post on politics with both lefties and righties, this is the place to do it if the comments sections of news sites are too idiotic for you. And whaddya know? Here we are! If you want more righties, invite them in. The environment is too acidic. A number of conservative posters over the years have been driven away, and the mix has always been liberal in any event – undoubtedly a result of the newspaper column’s publication by alternative city papers, which themselves attract a strongly left crowd. I, personally, am here for the acid. My view has always been that I can’t weigh the strength of a position if I advance it to a crowd of like-minded people. My views should be tested against highly motivated, intelligent opposition. That’s why I’m here. Unfortunately, along with the highly motivated, intelligent opposition, there are fools who share the political positions of the majority. There doesn’t seem to be a way to get rid of the chaff and leave the wheat. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547/100 "2014-03-26T18:00:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I, personally, am here for the acid. Glad to oblige. Wait 45 seconds for download and lick the exact center of your monitor-screen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rumsfield-claims-a-trained-ape-could-manage-war-better-than-obama/684547.md?page=6)