# Run For the Hills! (Government Shutdown in Effect) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068 "2013-10-01T04:12:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/421 "2013-10-03T19:09:16Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > “with more than 30 Democrats voting aye”. I believe “voting aye” indicates “being in favor” of something, wouldn’t you say? I refuse to believe I have to explain this to you. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/422 "2013-10-03T19:14:30Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [The piece of Obamacare that Dems wouldn't mind giving up](http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/30/the-piece-of-obamacare-that-dems-wouldnt-mind-giving-up/) > > 30 Democrats in the Senate are a majority. Still doesn’t make it a concession to the Democrats. A concession is something you do not want but are willing to give to your opponent so that they will give you something you want. You can’t take something you want and try to call that a concession to the other side. That is insanity. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/423 "2013-10-03T19:15:11Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Only because you disagree with the objective. Let’s say the situation were reversed and the Dems controlled the House vs The Pubs controlled the Senate and WH. Would you consider it immoral if the Dems shut down the government to ensure true UHC was passed? I can’t make you believe me, but no, I’d be very, very strongly against that. And so would a lot of Dems, I assume. The fact that so many Republicans are cheering this sickens me. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/424 "2013-10-03T19:15:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > 30 Democrats in the Senate are a majority. Funny you use the number 30 – there’s only 30 or so Tea Party members in the House who are blocking a vote on ending the government shutdown. Explain to me why 30 members of the House get to dictate if 800,000 workers get to show up for their job. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/425 "2013-10-03T19:16:41Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Funny you use the number 30 – there’s only 30 or so Tea Party members in the House I was referring to 30 **Senators**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/426 "2013-10-03T19:16:48Z")
Sanity outbreak reported, preliminary details sketchy. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-day-3-of-shutdown-focus-turns-to-debt-ceiling-deadline/2013/10/03/21f42abc-2c24-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-day-3-of-shutdown-focus-turns-to-debt-ceiling-deadline/2013/10/03/21f42abc-2c24-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html) > [@](#): > > House Speaker John A. Boehner, apparently sharing Obama administration alarm about a possible debt default, has told colleagues he will act to raise the federal debt limit even if he has to rely on the votes of House Democrats, GOP aides said Thursday… ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/427 "2013-10-03T19:19:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I was referring to 30 **Senators**. Yes. I’m talking about 30 Tea Party members who are apparently the only ones who support Boehner’s shutdown strategy. I was pretty clear about that in my last post. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/428 "2013-10-03T19:20:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Yes. I’m talking about 30 Tea Party members who are apparently the only ones who support Boehner’s shutdown strategy. I was pretty clear about that in my last post. And I don’t see how one is relevant to the other. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/429 "2013-10-03T19:21:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sanity outbreak reported, preliminary details sketchy. > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-day-3-of-shutdown-focus-turns-to-debt-ceiling-deadline/2013/10/03/21f42abc-2c24-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-day-3-of-shutdown-focus-turns-to-debt-ceiling-deadline/2013/10/03/21f42abc-2c24-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html) Honestly, I don’t believe it. Boehner has said nice things and promised to work with Democrats before. It’s lucy and charlie with the football all over again. Sanity outbreak indeed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/430 "2013-10-03T19:21:51Z")
> [@](#): > > And I don’t see how one is relevant to the other. You’re right. You don’t. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/431 "2013-10-03T19:23:27Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Honestly, I don’t believe it. Boehner has said nice things and promised to work with Democrats before. It’s lucy and charlie with the football all over again. > > Sanity outbreak indeed. That is entirely possible. Also possible is that he meant every word, but hasn’t the guts to back it up. There is nothing about this situation that is too weird to be true. Alas. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/432 "2013-10-03T19:27:54Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And I don’t see how one is relevant to the other. The government is shut down. It’s in all the papers, and the title of this thread. You say that 30 Democratic senators support changing a law that has nothing to do with the operation of government; yet ignore the fact that it is only because a small minority of House Republicans that the government is actually shut down. You should reconcile why such a tiny minority of the House of Representatives gets to dictate what happens to 800,000 workers and the Americans who benefit from their work. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/433 "2013-10-03T19:28:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That is entirely possible. Also possible is that he meant every word, but hasn’t the guts to back it up. There is nothing about this situation that is too weird to be true. Alas. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. … Fool me 3,891 times, I must be a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/434 "2013-10-03T19:29:26Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The government is shut down. It’s in all the papers, and the title of this thread. You say that 30 Democratic senators support changing a law that has nothing to do with the operation of government; I cited that in response to a demand to show that most Democrats supported repealing that tax. If you have a problem with that, ask the poster who wanted the cite. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/435 "2013-10-03T19:34:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I cited that in response to a demand to show that most Democrats supported repealing that tax. If you have a problem with that, ask the poster who wanted the cite. So you have no defense for a tiny minority of Congress closing government? I accept your apology. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/436 "2013-10-03T19:34:18Z")
Showing that 30 people support something is not showing that most of anything supports anything. How is ‘most Democrats’ the same as 30 people? Do you think there are only 59 Democrats in the entire country, therefore 30 of them equals ‘most’? You sure have an odd way of defining the word most. Also, and again, that does not make it a concession even if it were true. \*You cannot take something that YOU want and offer it to the other side as a concession. A concession is something you DO NOT want in exchange for something that you do. This is not that complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/437 "2013-10-03T19:40:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So you have no defense for a tiny minority of Congress closing government? If you would like to ask that question, go ahead. But don’t do it in response to a completely unrelated post. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/438 "2013-10-03T19:42:06Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Showing that 30 people support something is not showing that most of anything supports anything. 30 random people - no. 30+ Democrat Senators out of the total of less than 60? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/439 "2013-10-03T19:42:47Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Never back your enemy into the corner, unless you want a fight to the death. They backed themselves into this corner. Now they want to act like rabid raccoons because they don’t like where they put themselves and you are defending this behavior? If anyone is to blame for backing them into this corner its themselves for listening to Ted Cruz. The Democrats just sat back and watched while the Republicans screwed themselves and you want to blame them? There were plenty of Republicans predicting that exactly this would happen leading up to this, but somehow this is the Democrats fault? Madness. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/440 "2013-10-03T19:45:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > 30 random people - no. 30+ Democrat Senators out of the total of less than 60? Yes. answer the rest of my post please. I’ll state the point you’ve dodged twice a third time in the hopes that you might actually answer this time: “Also, and again, that does not make it a concession even if it were true. \*You cannot take something that YOU want and offer it to the other side as a concession. A concession is something you DO NOT want in exchange for something that you do. This is not that complicated.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068.md?page=23)