# Run For the Hills! (Government Shutdown in Effect) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068 "2013-10-01T04:12:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/501 "2013-10-03T23:35:55Z")
Unfair assumption. I am too lefty to be a Democrat, so I’m not. Its entirely possible to be too reactionary to be a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/502 "2013-10-03T23:45:23Z")
From our good friends at _Daily Kos_, a tweetie… Can I burn down your house? No! Just the 2nd floor? No! Garage! No! Let’s talk about what I _can_ burn down. No! YOU AREN’T COMPROMISING!!! > **[Republican idea of compromise summarized perfectly in one tweet](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/10/03/1243743/-Republican-idea-of-compromise-summarized-perfectly-in-one-tweet)** > > Judd Legum , editor-in-chief of Think Progress , provided the perfect illustration of what it means to Republicans when they demand "compromise" from Democrats: > > Damn you, ... ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/503 "2013-10-03T23:49:41Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > No. Stop right there. The budget, or at least a CR is the job of congress to do. > > You don’t get to demand extra shit for doing your basic duty. Or at least you shouldn’t. Is it a “duty” to pass a clean CR? Nothing else will do? Then why have the resolution or Congress at all? Just have a rubber stamp. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/504 "2013-10-03T23:50:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The law passed. The law is enacted. Most Republicans know and understand this, and want this Republican blackmail to stop because they know this is a cheap and underhanded trick that can’t work, so you are an unwanted **minority** in your own party. How does that feel? Did you just say the … **gasp** m-word? Sir, there are ladies present! ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/505 "2013-10-03T23:50:53Z")
> [@The\_Understander](#): > > The Teabagger demand is to delay or eliminate health care insurance for needy citizens. How does the delay of individual mandate “delay or eliminate health care insurance for needy citizens”? Or removal of tax on medical devices? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/506 "2013-10-03T23:51:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The law passed. The law is enacted. Most Republicans know and understand this, and want this Republican blackmail to stop because they know this is a cheap and underhanded trick that can’t work, so you are an unwanted minority in your own party. How does that feel? For the Nth time, I am not a Republican. Never have been, either. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/507 "2013-10-03T23:53:49Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Is it a “duty” to pass a clean CR? Nothing else will do? Then why have the resolution or Congress at all? Just have a rubber stamp. It is their duty to come to terms, or pass a CR to continue an older budget. The Republicans aren’t negotiating, they’re demanding they get everything they want, and they are offering nothing more than their minimal duty. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/508 "2013-10-03T23:54:28Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How does the delay of individual mandate “delay or eliminate health care insurance for needy citizens”? Or removal of tax on medical devices? The insurance will collapse without having citizens who are healthy signing up for it. Otherwise, the plan goes into a death spiral. That covers elimination nicely. As for removal of tax on medical devices… that’s the fig leaf your party will likely use to claim victory. After picking yourselves up off the rhetorical canvas. Five minutes after the ring clears. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/509 "2013-10-03T23:55:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > For the Nth time, I am not a Republican. Never have been, either. You just randomly vote Republican every chance you get, I bet. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/510 "2013-10-04T00:02:33Z")
He’s correct on that point, I doubt i’ve ever voted for a Republican in all the years I’ve been voting, that does not make me a Democrat. I started out using a clothes pin to hold my nose, but wore it out. Honesty compels I defend his position on that point. And please don’t ever make me do it again. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/511 "2013-10-04T00:05:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The blackmailer has no principles: One should _never_ pay the Danegeld. While I side with the Democrats on the general issue, the vast majority of federal heath care workers are considered essential and still on the job. If there are a few doing children’s, or even adult, cancer research, or even other dread disease research, who are not working, and the House passes a mini-appropriations bill for that, the Senate should pass it. As for this lowering the pressure on the GOP to cave, I doubt it. A mini-appropriation for the National Guard would be different, as that really would lessen pressure on the GOP. I just don’t believe those ten children, or even 100 children, are going to get the GOP to cave. Question: Has the House actually passed a children’s cancer bill? Didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/512 "2013-10-04T00:06:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I started out using a clothes pin to hold my nose, but wore it out. You don’t have a nose? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/513 "2013-10-04T00:10:44Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > While I side with the Democrats on the general issue, the vast majority of federal heath care workers are considered essential and still on the job. If there are a few doing children’s, or even adult, cancer research, or even other dread disease research, who are not working, and the House passes a mini-appropriations bill for that, the Senate should pass it. > > As for this lowering the pressure on the GOP to cave, I doubt it. > > A mini-appropriate for the National Guard would be different, as that really would lessen pressure on the GOP. I just don’t believe those ten children, or even 100 children, are going to get the GOP to cave. I wonder just how it would lessen pressure on the Teabaggers for Democrats to pass every single partial authorization that is offered, in the name of harms reduction. The government shutdown would still exist, after all, but there would be a lessening of any rhetorical foothold the Teabaggers could claim (i.e. "we ‘compromised’ four times…). ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/514 "2013-10-04T00:16:15Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > For the Nth time, I am not a Republican. Never have been, either. Maybe we should make up a new acronym. I’m sure someone can come up with something better, but what about RIRO – Republican in Reality Only.\ Personally, I am a RINO. Mostly I have been voting for Democrats in recent years, but there’s no reason for me to stop voting in GOP primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/515 "2013-10-04T01:03:50Z")
Are you claiming these 80 Republicans were lying about shutting down the government over the ACA? [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/80-u-s-house-members-government-shutdown-is-better-than-obamacare/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/80-u-s-house-members-government-shutdown-is-better-than-obamacare/) ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/516 "2013-10-04T01:22:24Z")
> [@RickG](#): > > While I sympathize with the gut instinct that government should balance its budget, even if I think it’s a naive idea, that really has nothing to do with the current issue of the debt ceiling. > > The spending is already authorized. Defaulting on debt is unconstitutional. Not spending money to execute the laws duly passed by Congress is illegal. Balancing the budget by not allowing the Executive to borrow would give him power that he does not have to pick and choose where the money is spent. If Congress wants to balance the budget, they must do it by actually balancing it, not by taking away the ability to pay for the stuff they authorized. There shouldn’t even be a debt ceiling. It’s a profoundly stupid idea, and using it to hold other legislation hostage is even more profoundly stupid. And reckless. And potentially catastrophic to the economy of the US and the rest of the world. Many countries around the world have a statutory duty to “balance the budget”. As in, its illegal to allow for spending that the govt cannot pay from current revenues. Would it be terribly difficult, that when a budget is passed it also comes with the appropriate debt ceiling? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/517 "2013-10-04T01:28:59Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You don’t have a nose? You are likely to be wondering how I smell? Not well, but good. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/518 "2013-10-04T02:11:36Z")
> [@The\_Understander](#): > > The insurance will collapse without having citizens who are healthy signing up for it. And being fined $95 a year will make them sign up for $200/month policy? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/519 "2013-10-04T02:17:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > From our good friends at _Daily Kos_, a tweetie… > > Can I burn down your house? > No! > Just the 2nd floor? > No! > Garage! > No! > Let’s talk about what I _can_ burn down. > No! > YOU AREN’T COMPROMISING!!! > > [Republican idea of compromise summarized perfectly in one tweet](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/03/1243743/-Republican-idea-of-compromise-summarized-perfectly-in-one-tweet?detail=hide) Looks like McConnel and Paul think this strategy is going great. They were caught on a open mic talking about how it makes the president look horrible and they are totally going to win. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/520 "2013-10-04T02:21:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And being fined $95 a year will make them sign up for $200/month policy? Most people like having affordable insurance. I’d rather pay 200 a month and get insurance, than pay 95 a year and live in fear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068.md?page=27)