# Run For the Hills! (Government Shutdown in Effect) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068 "2013-10-01T04:12:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/621 "2013-10-07T13:46:15Z")
You know, it’s seriously annoying when someone posts a dump of links and clearly either hasn’t bothered to read them, treats unattibuted blog posts with the same weight as verifiable news articles, or, perhaps, the poster simply assumes that no one is actually going to check them out. > [@Terr](#): > > [Colleges roll back faculty hours in response to Obamacare](http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/14/colleges-roll-back-faculty-hours-in-response-to-obamacare/) As **GIGObuster** pointed out, the article clearly states that a spokeman for at least one of the colleges denies that this has anything to do with the ACA. Granted, this apparently was added after initial publication. > [@](#): > > [http://m.freedomworks.org/blog/ameliahamilton/kroger-confronts-obamacare-by-reducing-employee-ho](http://m.freedomworks.org/blog/ameliahamilton/kroger-confronts-obamacare-by-reducing-employee-ho) Blog post, linking back to another unattributed blog post. > [@](#): > > [http://www.thebrennerbrief.com/2013/01/09/another-company-reducing-hours-due-to-obamacare-mandates/](http://www.thebrennerbrief.com/2013/01/09/another-company-reducing-hours-due-to-obamacare-mandates/) Unattributed blog post. > [@](#): > > [http://articles.mcall.com/2013-06-27/news/mc-east-penn-obamacare-20130627\_1\_east-penn-school-board-health-benefits-school-director-julian-stolz](http://articles.mcall.com/2013-06-27/news/mc-east-penn-obamacare-20130627_1_east-penn-school-board-health-benefits-school-director-julian-stolz) Apparently an actual, verifiable story supporting your position, by a legitimate news organization. Congratulations. > [@](#): > > [Papa John's CEO John Schnatter Says Company Will Reduce Workers' Hours In Response To Obamacare | HuffPost Impact](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html) Incorrect regarding Papa John’s, as previously posted by **Skip**. > [@](#): > > [Papa John's CEO John Schnatter Says Company Will Reduce Workers' Hours In Response To Obamacare | HuffPost Impact](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202.html) Duplicate link to the one above. > [@](#): > > [news](http://www.foodservicedirector.com/news/articles/district-cuts-foodservice-workers-hours-meet-obamacare) Same East Penn School District story as reported by the Morning Call above. > [@](#): > > … I can bring in a few dozen more if you like. If they are all as crappy as the ones posted above, please don’t bother. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/622 "2013-10-07T14:40:20Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I heard something about the federal workers will get paid for the period after all. That much has been passed. > [@computergeek](#): > > Correct, though we have to wait until the shutdown is over to actually get paid. The measure has passed the _House_. Hasn’t gone through the Senate yet, although I imagine it will. I heard there was a possibility the Senate might attach some amendments to it and send it back to force the House’s hand on some things, although that’s been conjecture so far. But not a done deal yet. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Whenever something like this happens, do your creditors cut you some slack? I mean, they know you’re a federal employee and they know you’ll be paid eventually but not now. Is there ever a problem with creditors being hard-asses? I am also a federal employee, in what’s considered an essential job. Working, but not getting paid. Our agency told us they would provide a letter for us to show our creditors explaining the situation. I haven’t had to use it, as I can patchwork my budget together for another month or so, but I have no way of knowing if any creditors would be flexible just because I had an official government letter telling them to hold on, I’m going to get paid eventually. :rolleyes: I was also working during the last shutdown in 1995. In that case, money was appropriated to pay the essential workers who were still on the job after only a few days of shutting down, so for me, at least, things didn’t get close to the way they’re going this time. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/623 "2013-10-07T15:59:22Z")
> [@computergeek](#): > > I’ve never had to deal with that issue so I don’t know. I have enough in the bank to last awhile (though obviously I prefer not to). > [@Uncle\_Jocko](#): > > The measure has passed the _House_. Hasn’t gone through the Senate yet, although I imagine it will. I heard there was a possibility the Senate might attach some amendments to it and send it back to force the House’s hand on some things, although that’s been conjecture so far. > > But not a done deal yet. > > I am also a federal employee, in what’s considered an essential job. Working, but not getting paid. Our agency told us they would provide a letter for us to show our creditors explaining the situation. I haven’t had to use it, as I can patchwork my budget together for another month or so, but I have no way of knowing if any creditors would be flexible just because I had an official government letter telling them to hold on, I’m going to get paid eventually. :rolleyes: > > I was also working during the last shutdown in 1995. In that case, money was appropriated to pay the essential workers who were still on the job after only a few days of shutting down, so for me, at least, things didn’t get close to the way they’re going this time. Good luck, guys! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/624 "2013-10-07T16:05:28Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > You know, it’s seriously annoying when someone posts a dump of links and clearly either hasn’t bothered to read them, treats unattibuted blog posts with the same weight as verifiable news articles, or, perhaps, the poster simply assumes that no one is actually going to check them out. Thanks for doing the work on this! I find the whole fainting-couch reaction to even the concept of people’s hours being cut somewhat remarkable. Do these people not realize that under the existing system, many people are scheduled just under full time in order to keep from having to give them benefits, like healthcare? Do they think businesses just came up with this idea post-ACA? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/625 "2013-10-07T18:13:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > That’s a nice ideal, but it is literally impossible to have a vote on every bill reported from a committee or passed by the other body if you actually expect any debate or amendment process. I’m not even going to get started on the whole idea that politicians should read the bills they’re voting on. > > And committees are not legislative traffic cops. You must have been misinformed somewhere along the way. I know committees are not legislative traffic cops but they way they are currently used is part of the problem. And I know that you couldn’t have debate on every motion or Congress would grind to a halt. What I’m trying to say is that the Chair (SotH in the House and Maj. Leader in the Senate) should not be allowed to unilaterally kill motions that they disagree with but deserve the attention of the House . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/626 "2013-10-07T18:57:34Z")
> [@Werekoala](#): > > **Run For the Hills! (Government Shutdown in Effect)** I’m sorry, that’s not an option. The hills are in a national park. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/627 "2013-10-07T20:13:45Z")
Everyone knows the hills are closed, **BG**. Its a metaphor, which is an analogy that is kinda like a simile. Sort of. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/628 "2013-10-07T20:49:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Everyone knows the hills are closed, **BG**. Its a metaphor, which is an analogy that is kinda like a simile. Sort of. So, I guess next you are going to tell me they are not in fact alive with the sound of music. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/629 "2013-10-07T22:49:41Z")
Marine Corps band is furloughed too. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/630 "2013-10-08T05:02:29Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, I guess next you are going to tell me they are not in fact alive with the sound of music. Wellll . . . yes, they are, kindasorta. But **not** with any songs they have sung for a thousand years! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/run-for-the-hills-government-shutdown-in-effect/670068/631 "2013-10-08T05:08:23Z")
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