# Running with scissors (changed title) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587 "2004-12-13T13:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/61 "2004-12-16T17:33:41Z")
You can have my scissors when you pry them from my cold handcuffed hands. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/62 "2004-12-16T17:56:22Z")
> [@](#): > > **Rutherford Institute** said: > Porter/Leblanc v. Ascension Parish School Board (LA) > A high school junior was charged with felony terrorist threat and\*\* possession of firearm on school property\*\* after school officials discovered a two-year-old drawing he had done of helicopters and missiles attacking a school building. School officials saw the drawing when the student’s little brother inadvertently included it among some other drawings he took to school to show his teacher. School officials contacted the police, who then searched the older student and **found a box cutter knife** , which he used for work. A Rutherford Institute affiliate criminal defense attorney is representing the student. A civil suit has also been field in federal court in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. _bolding mine_ So what is the ‘possession of a firearm on school property’ charge based on? Last I looked, box cutters are not ‘firearms’. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/63 "2004-12-16T18:01:36Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > **Aldebaran** , we’re not _all_ like that. Just like not everyone in the Middle East is trying to blow each other up. I know that. Some people however don’t seem to know it. > [@Eve](#): > > Never read much about the histories of, say, China, Spain, England, have you? They declared themselves to be “The Leader of the Free World” and “The Beacon of Freedom” and claimed for themselves to be in a position to “bring democracy” while invading and bringing under occupation sovereing nations killing thousands of tis citizens, inshort: doing the innocent things the US is busy doing right now? I must have overlooked these explaining footnotes. Can you tell me where they are? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/64 "2004-12-16T18:18:21Z")
Is it really necessary to turn this thread into an **Aldebaran** Bashes America fest? No, this country’s not perfect. Yes, we have a long way to go. But we do have one point we’re pretty damn proud of, which is being the first country to ever have a government declare that people have rights by virtue only of their being human beings, not privileges granted by government. Sure, the government has fucked some things up and forgotten some important fundamental principals, but there are many of us, millions of us, who are working on it **Aldebaran**. Please try to keep in mind that the average, ordinary citizen didn’t come up with the term ‘Leader of the Free World’ and that not all 350,000,000 of us are high-and-mighty riders of the we’re-better-than-you high horse. Please? ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/65 "2004-12-16T18:33:40Z")
Catsix, you could read my first post in this thread. Do you think that would be utterly impossible to happen these days in the USA? Can you also explain, since Eve so far fails to explain, what my comment on something that can be considered as a real possibility under this US government, has to do with situations that can be possible in other nations, like the post of Eve suggests. Maybe also an explanation about why such disconnected posts have such a stubborn tendency to pop up as follow up for one of mine, disturbing threads and leading to my answers to them, since when someone posts to me I feel somewhat obliged to return the favour. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/66 "2004-12-16T18:59:51Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > They declared themselves to be “The Leader of the Free World” and “The Beacon of Freedom” and claimed for themselves to be in a position to “bring democracy” while invading and bringing under occupation sovereing nations killing thousands of tis citizens, inshort: doing the innocent things the US is busy doing right now? Yep. Read some history. Lots of other countries have done that, too, when they’re top dog. I didn’t even mention China, Germany—hell, even the Dutch in their day! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/67 "2004-12-16T19:04:17Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Please try to keep in mind that the average, ordinary citizen didn’t come up with the term ‘Leader of the Free World’… Not to mention that this phrase didn’t start with our current figurehead…er…President. It’s a relic of the Cold War. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/68 "2004-12-16T19:08:34Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > Yep. Read some history. Lots of other countries have done that, too, when they’re top dog. I didn’t even mention China, Germany—hell, even the Dutch in their day! What is the translation of Leader of the Free world Beacon of Freedom Bringer of Democracy in Chinese, Spanish, German and Dutch, in which history books did you find them quoted and who is mentioned as the author? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/69 "2004-12-16T19:11:34Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > What is the translation of > > Leader of the Free world > Beacon of Freedom > Bringer of Democracy > > in Chinese, Spanish, German and Dutch, in which history books did you find them quoted and who is mentioned as the author? > > Salaam. A Stop being disingenuous. It’s obvious you have no interest in discussing or learning, and I have no interest in giving you a crash-course in world history (which you’d never listen to anyway). As this thread has been hijacked once again by Mr. America Is The One and Only Evil, I’ll just mosey over to Cafe Society and see what’s going on there. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/70 "2004-12-16T19:11:58Z")
Lute, No, I just read here that it has its origin in China and came from there to the West. (Maybe Eve should start a new thread on this interesting find) Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/71 "2004-12-16T19:13:36Z")
Eve, I don’t know what you mean. I’m historian. I’m always open for suggestions about literature on world history. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/72 "2004-12-16T19:15:48Z")
Forgot to point out that you where the one who thought it a good idea to bring up Outside US Situations inside this thread about US situations. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/73 "2004-12-16T19:31:21Z")
Oh, come off it, **Aldebaran**. You were arguing with your usual Amerophobic bullshit and you know it. All **Eve** did was call you on it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/74 "2004-12-16T20:31:14Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > WE’VE DONE RASPBERRIES! > > And mangoes. What about pomegranates? ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/75 "2004-12-17T15:06:47Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Oh, come off it, **Aldebaran**. You were arguing with your usual Amerophobic bullshit and you know it. All **Eve** did was call you on it. Really? Then why doesn’t the same “call on it” happens with all the others in this and other threads who comment on the USA? Why are my comments read and taken any different then theirs? Care to open a thread on that? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/76 "2004-12-17T16:08:26Z")
I don’t know. Maybe because their arguments are rational while yours are typically _ir_rational? Not to mention rhetorical, illogical, bigoted, and prone to sterotyping. Or, as [El\_Kabong](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5068460&postcount=133) put it: > [@](#): > > As I see it, his primary objective, and pretty much only interest in this board, is to witness for what he feels is unforgivably barbaric behavior by the current US administration against what he sees as entirely powerless and innocent people. Since the US adminstration was actually voted into power by the public (at least as he sees it), all Americans must share in the guilt and shame of the administrations barbaric behavior, and by God, he’s going to make sure they don’t forget that’s what they should be feeling. > > In his view, anyone who might take exception to his constant speechifying about murdering US’ers obviously sympathies with soulless killers, and thus is unworthy of any civility or respect. Most important to note is that with only rare exceptions, he doesn’t really want to know anything about you, or you anything at all about him, except how much he despises the lot of you. Look what else I found: > [@](#): > > [Dan Norder](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4913714&postcount=17) > Dude, not all Americans are like that. Just the stupid, violent ones. Unfortunately a stupid, violent mob tends to beat out intelligent, peaceful groups in any confrontation. You said you already know this. So why do we keep having to remind you? ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/77 "2004-12-17T16:27:10Z")
Let me give you as answer on your very original quotes from the most original non-biased or prejudiced member **El Kabong** and on your own really original non-biased or prejudiced comments: > [@myself](#): > > My conclusion on this: > US’ers commenting on USA 1 → debated by other side of the spectrum, but in any case, they are still Made in USA 1, which gives them rights to post what they think about their USA. > Comments on USA1 from outside the USA → debated and although not Made in USA, no big deal as long as they come from Western angle = A perspective that is not pre-defined as alien, hostile, hopeless uninformed and backwards/retarded. > Comments on USA 1 coming from Middle-Eastern/Arab/Muslim → What?!? > To begin with: Camel-driving backwards Towel Heads are supposed to be in tents in a deserted desert, instead of having access to PC and Internet. > They can not read or write in their own language, do not hear or see anything besides Al Qur’an, are all recruiters of Terrorists or supporting these Evil Bastards = They are the incorporation of Backwardness and The Enemy by definition of their location and worldview. > Comes along one of these Sand-eating Towel Heads who has PC and internet and even can read an write and By God: Even does that using more or less The Sacred English Language. And what does this Lucky Guy with all these favours bestowed on him by Superior Western Civilisation? > He comes to a US message board and instead of showering it with admiration for the Land of the Free (unless you are homosexual wanting to get married and a few other minor details) he dares to make remarks and critiques on USA 1 and the Holy Bush Administration. > > I witnessed the shockwaves of indignation since the beginning of my membership and I can understand it. Really, I can. Even my old camel and skinny goat - standing silently behind my black tent under a fabulous nightly sky with the Alpha Taura as one of its brightest stars - understand this. And they don’t even know how to read and write their own language. I think that is sufficient explanation for every non-thread related comment on my posts that ever showed up out of the blue and everyother one that shall keep coming out of nowhere, as long as such members are around. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/78 "2004-12-17T17:05:35Z")
Hmm. I’ve never seen a Muslim nail himself to a cross before. ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/79 "2004-12-17T17:55:39Z")
> [@](#): > > **Rutherford Institute** said: > > Hedgepeth v. WMATA (DC) > Washington, D.C. Metro Police arrested 11-year-old Ansche Hedgepeth for allegedly eating French fries in a Metro station after school. Police officers handcuffed Ansche and took her to the police station where they formally booked and charged her. Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute filed motions for summary judgment in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia against the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) and the Washington, D.C. chief of police. The court recently dismissed the lawsuit, and an appeal will be filed. I know we’re not supposed to like the French anymore, but damn…isn’t that taking it just a bit too far? Seriously though…I’ve decided I have about zero tolerance for these asinine “zero-tolerance” policies. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587/80 "2004-12-17T18:36:31Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > I think that is sufficient explanation for every non-thread related comment on my posts that ever showed up out of the blue and everyother one that shall keep coming out of nowhere, as long as such members are around. Sorry, I don’t read Lunatic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/running-with-scissors-changed-title/279587.md?page=5)