# Rush Limbaugh defends rapists and murderers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946 "2011-10-17T19:28:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/61 "2011-10-19T13:36:15Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > So what you’re saying is that Satan never influences Christians? I’ll say that, since Satan doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/62 "2011-10-19T14:22:30Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’ll say that, since Satan doesn’t exist. Sir, the OP has already mentioned Rush Limbaugh. I’d say that proves you’re wrong on this point. A cheap shot, but one that had to be taken. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/63 "2011-10-19T14:38:11Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > So what you’re saying is that Satan never influences Christians? > > On a less rhetorical note, it’s worth remembering that Christians do often accuse the LRA of heterodoxy (heck, it’s in the first sentence of the of the Wiki), which would hopefully make your average right-wing American Christian reluctant to defend the LRA… I will bet that your average right-wing American Christian has no idea whatsoever what the word heterodoxy means. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/64 "2011-10-19T15:39:22Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t call him a douche canoe. That’s OUR right. \ He has the right to free speech. We can also exercise OUR same right to call him and his fanboys a bunch of knuckle dragging mouth breathing Limbaugh sucking dumb as shit butt nuggets. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/65 "2011-10-19T15:43:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I will bet that your average right-wing American Christian has no idea whatsoever what the word heterodoxy means. As an average left-wing American atheist, I have no idea whatsoever the word heterodoxy means. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/66 "2011-10-19T15:45:28Z")
No matter how much Limbaugh might hate Obama, my hatred for Limbaugh is ten times greater. He hopes Obama fails (he said so) and I hope Limbaugh contracts some fulminating disease that renders him deaf and dumb plus causes him unrelenting agony for years. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/67 "2011-10-19T15:46:32Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > As an average left-wing American atheist, I have no idea whatsoever the word heterodoxy means. That’s a straight prostitute, innit? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/68 "2011-10-19T16:10:53Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > My point is that Rush can lie, distort, manipulate all he wants within the bounds of free speech. It’s his right. > > We, OTOH, have to make a choice in whether we accept fully, partially, or none of Rush’s version of events. \*\* It’s never been his responsibility\*\*–its always been ours. He is responsible for the things he says. He makes a choice to do it, in order to make money. It’s not his fault? Bullshit. Not his fault? That’s pretty damn stupid. In fact it’s one of the more stupid things I’ve seen and I’ve seen plenty. What’s next? It wasn’t Charlie Manson’s fault all those people were home? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/69 "2011-10-19T16:13:38Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > So what you’re saying is that No True Christian would do these things? It’s not a fallacy to define a term as meaning one thing and then rejecting other people’s claims because it doesn’t fit. If I called myself an atheist, but then went on and on about how great my personal relationship with God is, would you claim it a fallacy when someone told someone else not to refer to me as an atheist? That calling me an atheist was a mockery of the concept of atheism? **Qin** is not redefining a term in order to make a universal statement true. He is stating a definition, and one that is not really that controversial. It surely is the definition used by the target audience of Rush’s statement, hence why his statement is so misleading. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/70 "2011-10-19T16:57:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > **Qin** is not redefining a term in order to make a universal statement true. He is stating a definition, and one that is not really that controversial. It surely is the definition used by the target audience of Rush’s statement, hence why his statement is so misleading. What definition is that? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/71 "2011-10-19T18:20:18Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > Christians do often accuse the LRA of heterodoxy And what should they follow? Homodoxy? Incidentally, [here’s](http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/10/rushs-moral-depravity.html)a video response to Limbaugh’s comments, from one of the LRA’s victims. I have no illusions that it would evoke anything but mockery from Rush, but it’s an honest try. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/72 "2011-10-19T18:22:37Z")
I’d check out the link, but I never understand people with bones in their nose. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/73 "2011-10-19T18:38:29Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Sir, the OP has already mentioned Rush Limbaugh. I’d say that proves you’re wrong on this point. > > A cheap shot, but one that had to be taken. I HAVE heard that Satan is the Prince of Lies, so there’s something in what you say. > [@LouisB](#): > > No matter how much Limbaugh might hate Obama, my hatred for Limbaugh is ten times greater. He hopes Obama fails (he said so) and I hope Limbaugh contracts some fulminating disease that renders him deaf and dumb plus causes him unrelenting agony for years. Well, you’re a third of the way there. Rush IS, in fact, deaf without his cochlear implants. He went deaf suddenly about 10 years ago, and has since had the implant. But hell, I don’t know why he bothered, he never really listened to anyone else anyway. And he’s been known to be addicted to pain meds. Apparently he was prescribed these meds legitimately, that is, he was actually in pain. No, I think that what we should hope for is that every time Rush says or writes something that he knows is untrue, that he suffers agonizing pain. Because even if he was struck mute, he could still write. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/74 "2011-10-19T18:57:35Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > As an average left-wing American atheist, I have no idea whatsoever the word heterodoxy means. Orthodoxy is _your_ doxy; heterodoxy is the other fellow’s doxy. (Can’t remember where I first read this.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/75 "2011-10-19T19:10:43Z")
Now I just need to figure out what a doxy is and I’m golden. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/76 "2011-10-19T19:39:29Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I was being a bit rhetorical here but any ideology no matter what it prattles that practices and approves of murder, rape, and crimes against humanity are inspired in spirit by Satan. > [@kenetic](#): > > So what you’re saying is that No True Christian would do these things? > [@BigT](#): > > It’s not a fallacy to define a term as meaning one thing and then rejecting other people’s claims because it doesn’t fit. Taking that statement at face value, if unilaterally imposing one’s own idiosyncratic definition of a term upon a discussion doesn’t count as a fallacy, how should one characterize it, in terms of rhetorical flaws? F’rinstance, I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in thinking of adherence to the tenets set forth in the Nicene Creed as constituting sufficient evidence that one is a Christian. [And none of the ones I’ve found on this page say a word about disallowing the behavior **Qin** decries, above.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_versions_of_the_Nicene_Creed_in_current_use) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/77 "2011-10-19T19:46:04Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Now I just need to figure out what a doxy is and I’m golden. [Fun as this all is…](http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=orthodox&searchmode=none) [And one for heterodoxy, too…](http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=heterodox&searchmode=none) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/78 "2011-10-19T19:48:32Z")
Cool. Can you look up ‘sepulchral’ for me next? I can never remember that one either. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/79 "2011-10-19T19:49:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Taking that statement at face value, if unilaterally imposing one’s own idiosyncratic definition of a term upon a discussion doesn’t count as a fallacy, how should one characterize it, in terms of rhetorical flaws? > > F’rinstance, I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in thinking of adherence to the tenets set forth in the Nicene Creed as constituting sufficient evidence that one is a Christian. [And none of the ones I’ve found on this page say a word about disallowing the behavior **Qin** decries, above.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_versions_of_the_Nicene_Creed_in_current_use) That’s about the closest thing to a useful definition of christianity that I’ve even encountered. Though I’m pretty sure you’d be hard pressed to find any christian group that hasn’t been considered “heterodox” by some other christian group at some point. In other words: > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Orthodoxy is _your_ doxy; heterodoxy is the other fellow’s doxy. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946/80 "2011-10-20T15:22:38Z")
Relevant clip from the Colbert Report last night: > **[Stephen Colbert Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense](https://www.gawker.com/5851612/stephen-colbert-comes-to-rush-limbaughs-defense)** > > On Monday, based on some random information he found on Wikipedia, Rush Limbaugh called President Obama's decision to deploy military advisers to Africa—part of an effort to combat the Lord's Resistance Army—a plot to "wipe out Christians." Limbaugh... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-defends-rapists-and-murderers/599946.md?page=5)