# Rush Limbaugh lies. What a shocker!!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2003, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516 "2003-03-31T19:25:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![horowitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/2acd7d/32.png) [@horowitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/horowitz)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/21 "2003-04-01T12:54:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Payton’s Servant \* > \*\*Rush is having another amnesiac episode, 'cause I know that he has heard of > [www.lucianne.com](http://www.lucianne.com) which has some of the most vile thoughts I’ve ever seen typed onto a computer screen, and all of them by people who apparently consider themselves to be, _"Good, honest, God-fearing Christians._ :rolleyes: > > Sure guys. \*\* Thanks for the link. By the way what exactly is so vile about this site? It’s good reading. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/22 "2003-04-01T12:59:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Payton’s Servant \* > \*\* [www.lucianne.com](http://www.lucianne.com) which has some of the most vile thoughts I’ve ever seen typed onto a computer screen, and all of them by people who apparently consider themselves to be, _"Good, honest, God-fearing Christians._ :rolleyes: \*\* It seems odd to accuse a site run by Lucianne _Goldberg_ of being too Christian. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/23 "2003-04-01T13:06:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*Oh, I don’t deny that I despise dubya. I’m just astonished that Limbaugh lacks, not an ounce of dignity or integrity, but a smidgen of respect for his listeners, inasmuch as he could say that without winking. > > Daniel \*\* Its not that Rush NEVER had any dignity or integrity. The morning had a long dry spot between when the box of doughnuts was empty and when he could take lunch… …and he was Hungry… ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/24 "2003-04-01T14:49:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RexDart \* > \*\*Al Franken is a washed-up, has-been, unfunny comedian. > > I’m not sure anything else needs to be said. \*\* Yeah, he misses a fair amount more than he hits. But sometimes he nails it, and when he does, it’s funny. In the aforementioned book by Franken, he relates a story about hosting a roast-type event inside the Beltway when Clinton was president. He had written some new jokes for the occasion, and he approached Tipper Gore with one, because he wasn’t sure it was appropriate. Franken said to Tipper (paraphrasing), “I think this may be over the top, but I want your opinion. The joke is, ‘Vice-President Gore is determined to take his stance on environmental issues to the next level. So, instead of putting a new stick up his ass every day, he’s going to finish out his duties as VP with the same stick up his ass, thus saving countless sticks.’” He said Tipper just looked at him for a moment and then said, “That’s probably over the top.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/25 "2003-04-01T15:12:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*Oh, I don’t deny that I despise dubya. I’m just astonished that Limbaugh lacks, not an ounce of dignity or integrity, but a smidgen of respect for his listeners, inasmuch as he could say that without winking. \*\* He knows who his listeners are. That would explain his lack of respect for them. Hint: The people who listen to talk radio are the sort who have nothing better to do with their waking hours than to listen to talk radio, knowhutImean? But seriously, as an entertainer, he has to make his audience feel good about themselves or they’ll drift away and damage his income and notoriety. He has to help them feel they were and are both intellectually right and morally superior life forms. It doesn’t matter that it’s bullshit, and it wouldn’t even matter if it were true. ---
**Author:** ![Payton\_s\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@Payton\_s\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Payton_s_Servant)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/26 "2003-04-01T18:32:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by horowitz \* > \*\*Thanks for the link. By the way what exactly is so vile about this site? It’s good reading. \*\* Oh, where to begin…posters there blaming Clinton for both the **Challenger** and **Columbia** disasters, psoters posting some of the most homophobic thoughts I’ve ever read, posters blaming Clinton for everything _bad_ that has happened in the US for the last 60 years:rolleyes:, posters making the most vile comments about Chelsea that I’ve ever heard or read **anywhere** …I could go on, but I’m getting an upset stomach just writing this. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/27 "2003-04-01T18:50:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astorian \* > \*\*. Similarly, liberals never liked George Herbert Walker Bush, but there was never much real venom in their attacks on him. Ronadl Reagan and G.W. Bush, on the other hand, inspire passionate hatred. > \*\* speak for yourself, please. Some of us loathed GHWB with the fire of a thousand suns. ---
**Author:** ![Maximum\_C](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b77776/32.png) [@Maximum\_C](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maximum_C)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/28 "2003-04-01T19:28:30Z")
Semantics. Hatred isn’t always based in ignorance (Though I think once you _get_ angry you tend to start making more rash argumets,) and rationality doesn’t always lead to hatred. Saying: I hate Bush/Clinton. and I am appalled by a man who starts a regional conflict to preserve dubious future intrests/who gets his knob shlobbed in the oval office. Are basically interchangable. One just gives a little more of the “because”, thats all. The implication is that there IS no because in the first case, but like I said, thats just a semantic trick. -C ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/29 "2003-04-01T19:29:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Thea Logica \* > \*\*Haven’t listened to Rush Slimball in years. I thought he was funny for a while until it gradually dawned on me the contempt he has for the average working American. > > After repeatedly hearing him say “It’s the owner of the company who put up the money, the workers didn’t contribute anything”, I became nauseous and went out and got some Sex Pistols tapes to listen to at work instead. My thought was “huh? the only person who makes a contribution to this company is the fatass in the air conditioned office with the leather chair, those of us who actually sweat out here on the (un-air contitioned) factory floor _making the fucking products that the company sells to make a profit_ don’t contribute anything?” > > Rush grew up in a wealthy family. His first job in radio came to him because his father was part-owner of the station. He believes that the only thing that has value is money- physical labor that produces actual tangible things of value has no value in his eyes. > \*\* This is probably out of context a little. Many on the left, following Marxist principles, totally discount the role of the capitalist in creating wealth. The Marxist believes that only the performance of work upon materials generates wealth. Rush is probably saying something like this to refute that position, to recognize the importance of the capitalist in generating wealth in the economy. Unless he think robots are going to do all the work, he probably doesn’t actually consider the workers of no value, but both elements should be recognized. The capitalist purchases the workers’ labor-power, so clearly _he_ values it. The workers sell their labor-power, so clearly they recognize that they can get more from the capitalist then they could on their own. The successful capitalist incorporates the laborers into an efficient process designed to generate more wealth as a cohesive unit than the sum of the individuals’ labor-power would have. To ignore either side of the relationship is idiotic, but I can’t imagine that’s what Rush was really doing. There are plenty of workers and leftist groups who totally discount the importance of the capitalist, and there’s the Marxist tradition to draw upon for those that make that error. I haven’t really heard anyone seriously propose that the workers contributed _nothing_. They might sometimes be characterized as interchangable grunts of no _particular_ value or skill, performing a job anyone could do, but they still undeniably are doing it. Oh, and I’m not so sure about whether I’d consider Rush’s family “wealthy”. From what I know, they were just upper-middle-class. Upper middle-class in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, isn’t exactly “Silver Spoons.” They have some family connections that enabled Rush and a few other family members to get decent jobs, but that’s nothing special. While I personally do not, most of my fellow law students have some connection or another to a judge or prosecutor or sheriff or politician back in their home county that they’ll exploit for a job if they need to. In rural Missouri counties, connections aren’t just for the wealthy. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/30 "2003-04-01T19:35:06Z")
Remember when Rush showed a picture of Chelsea and called her a dog? That man is vile. She was a thirteen year old girl. EVERYONE and their grandmother was talking about how “ugly” she was. Can you imagine how that poor girl felt? Thirteen as an age is bad enough for us girls without people like RUSH FUCKING LIMBAUGH call us dogs. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/31 "2003-04-01T19:46:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*In the aforementioned book by Franken, he relates a story about hosting a roast-type event inside the Beltway when Clinton was president. He had written some new jokes for the occasion, and he approached Tipper Gore with one, because he wasn’t sure it was appropriate. > > Franken said to Tipper (paraphrasing), “I think this may be over the top, but I want your opinion. The joke is, ‘Vice-President Gore is determined to take his stance on environmental issues to the next level. So, instead of putting a new stick up his ass every day, he’s going to finish out his duties as VP with the same stick up his ass, thus saving countless sticks.’” > > He said Tipper just looked at him for a moment and then said, “That’s probably over the top.” \*\* Amusing Tipper anecdote: I former professor of mine was heavily involved with Gore’s Presidential campaign back in '88. Apparently, they had a few guys at political fundraising events assigned to the task of silencing Tipper, keeping her from saying much to the donors. The concern of course was her personal efforts at that time to silence the lyrics of several well-known recording artists. Censorship not being popular among Democratic voters, and the entertainment industry being a good source of funds for Democratic hopefuls, Tipper was considered a bit of a liability during the primary campaign. Tipper and Al are both so boring and uptight, they’re a match made in heaven. That she has no sense of humour surprises me not at all 😉 I don’t know how partying, fun-loving, live-and-let-live President Clinton ever got along with either of them. Some people enjoy life, others enjoy preventing people from doing so. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/32 "2003-04-01T20:41:01Z")
Shodan: > [@](#): > > A quick search of practically any thread with elucidator or rjung in it will find you some examples of virulent Bush-hatred, if you like. What? Shodan, are you crazy? Much better examples of pathological Bush-hatred come from **Stoid** and **Diogenes the (selective) Cynic**. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/33 "2003-04-01T20:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Maximum C \* > Saying: > > I hate Bush/Clinton. > > and > > I am appalled by a man who starts a regional conflict to preserve dubious future intrests/who gets his knob shlobbed in the oval office. > > Are basically interchangable. Absolutely wrong. You either have no concept of the meaning of semantics, or are trying to kid yourself. There is no interchangeability or any kind of moral equivalence between a _war_, in which real people get killed, and the reasons for and against are embedded in the very nature of the country and of democracy and are therefore everyone’s business whether they care to participate in it or not, and a consensual private act that is nobody’s business whatsoever… To draw such an equivalency is, however, typical of the RW approach that anything they do is OK if they can somehow draw a parallel to Clinton, or, better yet, blame him for it. In fact, though, it’s obscene to even say it, much less dismiss it as “semantics”. Now grow the fuck up, kid. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/34 "2003-04-01T20:52:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cmkeller \* > \*\* > Much better examples of pathological Bush-hatred come from **Stoid** and **Diogenes the (selective) Cynic**. \*\* LOL. Way to stick it to **Diogenes**. Oh, and being cynical means looking critically at somebody’s assertions, but it leaves open the possibility of accepting those assertions after examining them. So I wouldn’t say he’s cynical at all. He just rejects right-winger assertions out of hand and blindly accepts radical left-wing assertions without examining them at all. Of course, at least with **Diogenes** the left-wing drivel comes from others’ mouths, to him, and then here. Unlike **Chumpsky** who just stole their material and placed it here directly. ---
**Author:** ![TV\_time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f17d59/32.png) [@TV\_time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TV_time)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/35 "2003-04-02T05:51:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*“Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot.” \*\* I think that is quite unfair. He _has_ lost weight. ---
**Author:** ![g8rguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@g8rguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/g8rguy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/36 "2003-04-02T06:11:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > \*\*Absolutely wrong. You either have no concept of the meaning of semantics, or are trying to kid yourself. There is no interchangeability or any kind of moral equivalence between a _war_, in which real people get killed, and the reasons for and against are embedded in the very nature of the country and of democracy and are therefore everyone’s business whether they care to participate in it or not, and a consensual private act that is nobody’s business whatsoever… > > To draw such an equivalency is, however, typical of the RW approach that anything they do is OK if they can somehow draw a parallel to Clinton, or, better yet, blame him for it. In fact, though, it’s obscene to even say it, much less dismiss it as “semantics”. > > Now grow the fuck up, kid. \*\* **Elvis** , I think you misunderstood him. Either that, or I did, or I misunderstood you. My take on it was that **Maximum C** was trying to suggest that “I hate Bush” and “I am appalled by a man who starts a regional conflict to preserve dubious future intrests” are interchangeable. Similarly, “I hate Clinton” and “I am appalled by a man who gets his knob shlobbed in the oval office” are interchangeable. Not that war and blowjobs are interchangeable. Capisce? Oh, and lest you blindly leap to assumptions further: in his brief time here, it is become pretty clear to anyone who has seen his postings in GD or the Pit, that **Maximum C** is hardly a right-wing nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/37 "2003-04-02T06:14:53Z")
Hey, my left-wing drivel is mine and mine alone…and I have np problem admitting that I hate Bush. I don’t claim any moral highground. I ain’t no virgin. I have a radical, left-wing, quasi-socialist bias and I admit it. I _am_appalled that somebody with that lack of character, discipline, intelligence or wisdom has actually ascended to the White House, and I also hate the little prick. ---
**Author:** ![Fearless\_Freap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e56c9b/32.png) [@Fearless\_Freap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fearless_Freap)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/38 "2003-04-02T06:42:37Z")
Rush is doing allot better than some of you. And Bush is as well. Think about that, no, don’t bother. We have the house and the senate!!! We rock!!! hehehe ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/39 "2003-04-02T06:46:40Z")
I don’t know you very well, **Shodan** , but shut up. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516/40 "2003-04-02T17:35:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fearless Freap \* > \*\*Rush is doing allot better than some of you. And Bush is as well. Yep. They both have jobs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-lies-what-a-shocker/165516.md?page=3)