# Rush Limbaugh: Rapist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445 "2016-10-13T18:59:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/21 "2016-10-13T21:24:29Z")
Rush thinks non-consensual sex is just another type of depraved sex act. Like in his head there is this list of bad things: 1. Sodomy 2. Homosexual sex 3. Orgies 4. BDSM 5. Nonconsensual sex 6. Adultery 7. Lesbians He thinks they all fall under the umbrella of “bad sex” and he thinks it is hypocritical for liberals to get all bent out of shape on #5 but the rest of the list is A-OK. It reveals the brain of a simpleton and an acceptance of rape culture, IMO. Sick. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/22 "2016-10-13T21:51:18Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Difficult to say. Certainly not possible based on the quote alone (I’m not familiar with the source, but it’s presumably some left-wing outfit taking his words out of context.) Here’s a shovel. Now take the quote _“How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that ‘no’ means ‘yes’ if you know how to spot it?”_ and explain a context in which that statement is acceptable in a discussion of sexual consent. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/23 "2016-10-13T21:53:49Z")
The weird thing is, I think I actually agree with every word in that paragraph from Rush, in a literal sense. Except, of course, that I guess he’s being sarcastic? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/24 "2016-10-13T21:58:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Here’s a shovel. Now take the quote _“How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that ‘no’ means ‘yes’ if you know how to spot it?”_ and explain a context in which that statement is acceptable in a discussion of sexual consent. You seem to be confusing two separate discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/25 "2016-10-13T22:02:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Now take the quote _“How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that ‘no’ means ‘yes’ if you know how to spot it?”_ and explain a context in which that statement is acceptable in a discussion of sexual consent. How about we follow that quote with his next statement: “That’s simply not tolerated”? That sure got omitted. Having listened to the clip, my takeaway is that he is harpooning the old BS theory about how the woman is always playing hard to get, and it takes a superstud to understand that no really means yes. And I agree - that’s simply not tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![tenacious\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tenacious\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tenacious_j)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/26 "2016-10-13T22:04:57Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > Rush thinks non-consensual sex is just another type of depraved sex act. Like in his head there is this list of bad things: > > 1. Sodomy > 2. Homosexual sex > 3. Orgies > 4. BDSM > 5. Nonconsensual sex > 6. Adultery > 7. Lesbians > > He thinks they all fall under the umbrella of “bad sex” and he thinks it is hypocritical for liberals to get all bent out of shape on #5 but the rest of the list is A-OK. > > It reveals the brain of a simpleton and an acceptance of rape culture, IMO. Sick. Rush has also been quoted as saying it’s not a man’s fault if he acts on his impulses because he’s thinking with his dick and not his brain. Apparently that only applies to rape being okay though and not all the other things on your list. Okay maybe adultery. Numbers 1 through 4 on your list? Those are bad. Those guys shouldsomehow control what their dick tells them to do. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/27 "2016-10-13T22:13:15Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > How about we follow that quote with his next statement: “That’s simply not tolerated”? That sure got omitted. > > Having listened to the clip, my takeaway is that he is harpooning the old BS theory about how the woman is always playing hard to get, and it takes a superstud to understand that no really means yes. I don’t agree. I think he was objecting to the need for verbal consent in the OS guidelines, and contrasting that with the other extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/28 "2016-10-13T23:31:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Here’s a shovel. Now take the quote _“How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that ‘no’ means ‘yes’ if you know how to spot it?”_ and explain a context in which that statement is acceptable in a discussion of sexual consent. You can spot when ‘no’ means ‘yes’ by paying attention to whether she’s saying the safeword ‘avocado.’ Somehow I don’t think that’s what Rush meant, though. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/29 "2016-10-13T23:57:55Z")
The one area in which even the “crawled out form under a rock” variety of loon (Right Wing Division) should, by now, know to shut the fuck up about, it is sex. They lost the EEEwww - dem queers are gross! discussion, and the birth control discussion, and the marriage discussion. And now, against that background, they want to debate what is or isn’t rape? And they screw up so badly as to think that “consent” has nothing to do with “rape”? I did not think ANYONE could not have at least figured it out. The difference between “without consent” and “against will” - maybe there are a few who can’t quite understand that. But to state that “consent” has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER? This is getting scary, folks. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/30 "2016-10-14T00:08:36Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Difficult to say. Certainly not possible based on the quote alone (I’m not familiar with the source, but it’s presumably some left-wing outfit taking his words out of context.) Yeah, that’s a safe assumption when you read a conservative saying something appalling: a liberal is to blame. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/31 "2016-10-14T00:15:01Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > This is getting scary, folks. Yep, passed out or can’t fight me off. That’s not a no it’s a YES. Not surprised that Rush would defend Trump. And do it poorly. They are both assholes to the first degree. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/32 "2016-10-14T00:34:35Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > This is getting scary, folks. I can’t help but find it all hilarious. The right still hasn’t figured out that rape is the 3rd rail for them. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/33 "2016-10-14T01:53:23Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > This is getting scary, folks. Am I supposed to hear this in Rushs’ voice? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/34 "2016-10-14T03:59:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > How about we follow that quote with his next statement: “That’s simply not tolerated”? That sure got omitted. > > Having listened to the clip, my takeaway is that he is harpooning the old BS theory about how the woman is always playing hard to get, and it takes a superstud to understand that no really means yes. And I agree - that’s simply not tolerated. Yeah. Except he says that like it’s a _bad_ thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/35 "2016-10-14T04:00:03Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > How about we follow that quote with his next statement: “That’s simply not tolerated”? That sure got omitted. It doesn’t change the meaning of what he’s saying. Here are all the actual words from that section of the clip: > [@Rush Limbaugh](#): > > [quoting from Ohio State consent guidelines] _“Consent must be freely given and can be withdrawn at any time, and the absence of ‘no’ does not mean ‘yes’.”_ How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that ‘no’ means ‘yes’ if you know how to spot it? I’m probably— Let me tell you something, in this modern— That is simply—that’s not tolerated. That would not be— people— aren’t even going to try to understand that one. I mean, it used to be said as a cliche. Used to be part of the advice, you know, boys would get. See, that’s what we gotta change. We— we— we have got to reprogram the way we raise men. So now— notice— why do you think— permission every step of the way, clearly spelling out why. Why do you— is— all these not lawsuits just waiting to happen? [QUOTE=Clothahump] Having listened to the clip, my takeaway is that he is harpooning the old BS theory about how the woman is always playing hard to get, and it takes a superstud to understand that no really means yes. And I agree - that’s simply not tolerated. [/QUOTE] No, what Limbaugh is mocking is the modern “liberal” insistence on consent. He is **endorsing** the notion that “no means yes if you know how to spot it”, and making fun of the “oversensitive” liberals who are no longer willing to “tolerate” that attitude. Limbaugh thinks we should “reprogram the way we raise men” away from this contemporary liberal insistence on consent, and change back to the former approach of advising boys to “spot” when “no means yes”. Which is exactly the sort of assault-trivializing rape-culture attitude that so many people are complaining about now in Trump and his defenders. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/36 "2016-10-14T04:19:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Rush Limbaugh** > [quoting from Ohio State consent guidelines] _“Consent must be freely given and can be withdrawn at any time, and the absence of ‘no’ does not mean ‘yes’.”_ How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that ‘no’ means ‘yes’ if you know how to spot it? I’m probably— Let me tell you something, in this modern— That is simply—that’s not tolerated. That would not be— people— aren’t even going to try to understand that one. I mean, it used to be said as a cliche. Used to be part of the advice, you know, boys would get. See, that’s what we gotta change. We— we— we have got to reprogram the way we raise men. So now— notice— why do you think— permission every step of the way, clearly spelling out why. Why do you— is— all these not lawsuits just waiting to happen? Okay, with all the jumping around and sentence fragments, I can see it’s possible for there to be two ways this can be interpreted. One is that Limbaugh is agreeing that having sex with a woman without her consent is a terrible thing and that it was wrong in the past to tell boys that they could sometimes ignore what a woman was saying. The other interpretation is that Limbaugh liked that old system of ignoring consent and regrets how liberals are trying to change it. Limbaugh’s quote is incoherent enough it could go either way. Limbaugh being an appalling human being, I think it’s likely the appalling interpretation is the correct one. But I’ll be fair and hold off final judgment until he’s had a chance to further explain what his message is. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/37 "2016-10-14T05:12:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Limbaugh being an appalling human being, I think it’s likely the appalling interpretation is the correct one. But I’ll be fair and hold off final judgment until he’s had a chance to further explain what his message is. Well, that clip was part of Limbaugh’s show back in September 2014. I think he’s had plenty of time to explain it. And his position on consent still seems to be firmly in the “appalling” camp, as the more [recent remarks](https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/10/12/limbaugh-left-sends-out-rape-police-whenever-theres-sex-no-consent-also-known-rape/213787) quoted by the OP indicate: > [@Rush Limbaugh](#): > > Standards, moral standards—you stand up for moral standards, you’re gonna be mocked and laughed out of the room. They’re gonna call you a prude, they’re gonna call you a Victorian, they’re gonna call you an old fuddy-duddy, an old fogey, and they’re gonna claim that you want to deny people having a good time. So, a culture that rejects moral standards. In other words, anything goes. > > You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left. For Limbaugh, evidently, “moral standards” means objecting to “kinky” stuff like threesomes and foursomes. Consent, on the other hand, is just some tiresome liberal shibboleth like “safe spaces” or “trigger warnings”, and calling the cops on sex without consent is just oversensitive liberals overreacting. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/38 "2016-10-14T05:19:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Biggirl** > I always thought that those South American sex boy allegations against Limbaugh was the left making hay but now Sounds like the guy obviously intended to get laid but your link didn’t say anything about underage boys. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/39 "2016-10-14T05:40:55Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, that clip was part of Limbaugh’s show back in September 2014. I think he’s had plenty of time to explain it. My mistake. I read the article and missed that they were quoting two different speeches. I though this was all part of one speech Limbaugh delivered this week. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445/40 "2016-10-14T05:41:45Z")
How many of you ladies like it when a new date asks if it’s okay to kiss you? Time and time again over the course of my life I’ve heard or read women make derogatory comments about the courage of a guy who does that. My take is that Limbaugh feels that not saying no = consent. Which frankly is pretty much the way it’s always been, at least during my lifetime. The guy tries for what he can get and the girl sets the limits by saying no when she doesn’t want things to go any further…unless of course she does, in which case she never says no and things go all the way. But at no point does she ever say, “Yes, please screw me!” (Unless of course they’re into that kind of talk, in which case it’s probably not their first time anyway.) So be honest, how many of you have ever had sex with someone where you either verbally asked or were asked for permission before doing the deed? Or asked or were asked for permission every step of the way - dress or jeans removal, bra removal, panty removal, male disrobement, etc., etc., etc.? It’s silly, and that’s what Limbaugh is lampooning, in my opinion. And rightfully so, also in my opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-limbaugh-rapist/768445.md?page=3)