# Rush, Rush, Rush... liberals are equivalent to murderers and rapists? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680 "2009-02-20T05:01:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/221 "2009-02-21T20:10:17Z")
He didn’t slink away. He’s got shit to do. That sterling silver replica of Rush’s cock isn’t going to polish itself, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/222 "2009-02-21T20:12:55Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Being conservative I tend toward politeness Abwahahahah! Hahaha! Man, that’s funny! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/223 "2009-02-21T20:55:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So in other words, the conservatives in this thread have been right and \*\*Stoid \*\*was wrong. No-I don’t think he MEANT it-or rather, I don’t think he was actually sincere. But I do think he was making the comparison simply to rial people up-like I said-he’s just a professional troll. He was doing it on purpose, and he meant for people to interpret it that way. I don’t think he believes half of what he says-he does it simply for shock value. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/224 "2009-02-21T21:06:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Of course he would be. > > But **Stoid** and others do exactly what Rush is accused of doing - false attributions, quoting out of context, equating your political opponents with criminals and murderers, etc. - and they are not banned. And nobody Pits them. > > Go figure. > > Regards, > Shodan I keep looking for your protest of the misleading title in the **Jackbooted Troops** thread and not seeing. Go figure ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/225 "2009-02-21T22:23:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > and it seems rude to ignore people when they say something to me. You’ve now been rude to me several times over, since you continue to ignore [what I said to you in this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10855975&postcount=133) and I pointed it out to you in response to your saying you missed it. I’ve now linked to it I think maybe 4 times and you keep acting like it doesn’t exist. Pretty rude. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/226 "2009-02-21T22:26:12Z")
Well, you’re a Rush hater. And you’re winning. Insufferable temerity. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/227 "2009-02-21T23:58:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My analysis is not shit. You’re right. It’s not. Wanna know why? Because this: > [@](#): > > The thing the list had \*\*in common \*\*was that each had such **serious consequences** that they could not and should not be excused, or their **egregiousness** lessened, by making attempts to understand them or to assess the motives behind them. In other words they are **wrong, they have terrible consequences** , and the reason for them doesn’t matter, they must be fought at all costs. Means **exactly the same thing** as this: **Rape, murder, and liberalism are equivalent in how [COLOR=“Black”]“terrible”, “serious” “egregious” “inexcusable” they are.[/COLOR]** Glad to see you’ve come to your senses at last! Growth is good, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/228 "2009-02-22T00:00:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And you’re winning. Appears I have finished “winning” and have now won. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/229 "2009-02-22T00:15:45Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > You’ve now been rude to me several times over, since you continue to ignore [what I said to you in this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10855975&postcount=133) and I pointed it out to you in response to your saying you missed it. I’ve now linked to it I think maybe 4 times and you keep acting like it doesn’t exist. > > Pretty rude. Actually, I was trying to be considerate. You obviously put in a lot of time and effort on that post but all it was was a reiteration of things you’d already said, but newly combined with a ton of liberal definitions and descriptions, but the definition of liberalism isn’t at issue here and I was hoping to avoid having to spell that out. The issue is that Limbaugh regards liberalism to be so seriously harmful and wrong that, like is the case with rape and murder, it must not be tolerated no matter the reason or intent. As it is, you are still trying to hang your hat on the grouping and trying to extrapolate from that grouping that Limbaugh was saying liberals are as bad as rapists and murderers when that isn’t what he was saying at all. You can persist in calling apples oranges all you want, but that doesn’t make them so. > [@elucidator](#): > > Well, you’re a Rush hater. And you’re winning. Insufferable temerity. I have to say your habit of claiming victory where none exists is one of your more charming qualities. It bespeaks an optimism and spunkiness that are both entertaining and admirable. And on preview: Not so fast there, **Stoid**. As both you and friend **elucidator** can see by my post above, you’ve hardly won. And not only that, you’re still extrapolationally in error. 😃 It’s true that rape and murder are “terrible”, “serious” “egregious” “inexcusable”, and it’s also true that Limbaugh regards liberalism as “terrible”, “serious” “egregious” “inexcusable”, but that doesn’t make them the same. Or is a terrible headache the same thing as a terrible movie? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/230 "2009-02-22T00:31:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Or is a terrible headache the same thing as a terrible movie? THey’re not, but if I wrote a movie review in which I talked about terrible headaches and then mentioned in the same sentence how terrible the movie was, the director would be correct in concluding that I was insinuating an equivalence between them. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/231 "2009-02-22T00:47:40Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I keep looking for your protest of the misleading title in the **Jackbooted Troops** thread and not seeing. > > Go figure I’ve been watching my mailbox, and I haven’t had anyone report this thread for any reason, including a misleading title. As it happens, I DON’T think it’s necessarily a misleading title. Now, I’m sure that there are some posters who think that I wouldn’t act on this thread because of my political bias. However, there are two other folks on Pit moderation duty. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/232 "2009-02-22T00:50:31Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > THey’re not, but if I wrote a movie review in which I talked about terrible headaches and then mentioned in the same sentence how terrible the movie was, the director would be correct in concluding that I was insinuating an equivalence between them. > > Daniel I’m not saying there was no equivalence in what Limbaugh said, I am saying that it’s a different equivalence than the one **Stoid** is drawing. The equivalence Limbaugh is drawing goes to seriousness of consequence to the degree that intent doesn’t matter, whereas Stoid is claiming that the equivalence is between the things he listed in order to illustrate that point. Not the same thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/233 "2009-02-22T01:12:08Z")
Me: Hell, he said “Eat me!” How is that not insulting? Him: According to my Webster’s Online Dictionary, the verb “to eat” means to “derive nourishment and sustenance.” Therefore, the clear meaning of his words is an offer to provide nourishment and/or sustenance. I know that you types expect to ask for “spare change?” first, but a bountiful spirit like Rush… Me: What? C’mon, **Starkers,** everybody knows what it means! Him: Perhaps in the depraved _demi-moore_ that you inhabit, but amongst persons of proper breeding it may have an entirely different connotation, as I proved above by finding a dictionary. Since you cannot _prove_ what he meant, that means my interpretation is equally likely. More likely, even, because I have a cite. Me: Dude! He was giving me the Finger! Him: Amongst many Christians, a single digit raised to Heaven is a form of prayer and an offering of praise. If you guys didn’t hate religion so much, you might know that… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/234 "2009-02-22T01:18:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I am saying that **it’s a different equivalence** But there’s equivalence. But the thread title is misleading how? The OP is misleading how? > [@](#): > > The equivalence Limbaugh is drawing goes to seriousness of consequence 'zackly! You already said this, remember? Murder = death of person = serious consequence Liberalism = whatever Rush is imagining = serious consequence equivalent to the serious consequence of murder. Both things so **serious** and **terrible** and **inexcusable** that we need not entertain consideration of the motives behind them. That is what Rush intended to convey, that is what he conveyed, and that is what you have now, in several posts, demonstrated that you understand. Show’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/235 "2009-02-22T01:25:37Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Show’s over. Really? So, uh, forest fires = bad consequence, plane crashes = bad consequence. Therefore forest fires = plane crashes. ? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/236 "2009-02-22T01:27:35Z")
That’s what Limbaugh’s position, and yours, amount to. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/237 "2009-02-22T01:30:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > 😃 It’s true that rape and murder are “terrible”, “serious” “egregious” “inexcusable”, and it’s also true that Limbaugh regards liberalism as “terrible”, “serious” “egregious” “inexcusable”, but that doesn’t make them the same. “the same” _what_? You have just clearly stated that Rush sees them as “the same” in terms of terribleness, inexcusableness, seriousness, egregiousness. And that’s what he wanted to express. He succeeded. What is it you think you are arguing? > [@](#): > > Or is a terrible headache the same thing as a terrible movie? In terms of degree, I’d say probably, but since “terrible” is an being used to describe the intensity of pain one is experiencing, vs. “terrible” being used to assess the relative entertainment value of a piece of art, I don’t think that’s a very useful example. More useful and applicable examples might be “Is a terrible headache the same as a terrible amputation?” All of which simply highlights the underlying flaws (and fundamental vileness) of Rush’s lumping mere points of view with the two most damaging crimes against a person that can be committed. It’s ridiculous, and the only reason to do it is to fling shit in the form of suggesting any degree of similarity whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/238 "2009-02-22T01:38:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Really? > > So, uh, forest fires = bad consequence, plane crashes = bad consequence. Therefore forest fires = plane crashes. > > ? What? Huh? What is with the “Xthing = Xthing”? Define " = " as you use it, then I can answer the question. (IN a general sense, though, forest fires and plane crashes are bad examples, since forest fires are a necessary thing from time to time, and not always bad. And plane crashes are bad, but the two most recent were worlds apart in the “seriousness” or “terribleness” of the consequences, seeing as how everyone lived with almost no serious injuries in one, and everybody died in the other. So it would not be accurate to say that all plane crashes are equally serious or bad or terrible.) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/239 "2009-02-22T01:44:43Z")
Look, I’m done here. I’ve described _multiple times_ what I’m arguing. If you haven’t grasped it by now you never will, and there comes a point when to continue is just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680/240 "2009-02-22T01:45:58Z")
Holy hell, Starvy… you did it AGAIN! > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Limbaugh \*\*regards liberalism to be so seriously harmful and wrong \*\*that, **like** is the case with **rape and murder** , it must not be tolerated no matter the reason or intent. Really, it’s ok to say “oops. I guess he really was trying to convey that.” I promise your stock will go UP, rather than down. Because you’ve now revealed the truth of his intention to suggest that they are all roughly equivalent in their dreadfulness at least three different times in the course of trying to deny it, and continuing on this path is really shredding your credibility, seriously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rush-rush-rush-liberals-are-equivalent-to-murderers-and-rapists/486680.md?page=13)