# Russia has invaded Ukraine. How will the West respond? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [February 28, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513 "2014-02-28T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3761 "2014-12-16T23:16:24Z")
Ukes? _Really??_ ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3762 "2014-12-16T23:18:08Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > 1. I don’t much like Putin. > 2. His most significant opposition in Russia is the Communists, who I do like. a lot. > 3. If he falls, Russia is going to be ruled by Zyuganov more likely than by any wussified, ‘liberal democracy’ degenerate, so I like that just fine. > 4. Zyuganov and any of his allies are probably going to be more authoritarian and at least as nationalistic as Putin, and the communists have officially endorsed the DNR / LNR liberation, so whatever comes out of this mess, I think I’ll like it a whole lot more than you and your sort will. Whatever. When Russia is adequately crushed it’ll have to stop propping up the rebels and the Western looking leaders of Ukraine will reassert control and we can all move forward. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3763 "2014-12-16T23:22:47Z")
> [@andros](#): > > How will the “jabbering monkeys” feel about it? Well, if enough of them get sent to do some forced labor, I’m sure the rest will go home and fall into line. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3764 "2014-12-16T23:49:18Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Well, if enough of them get sent to do some forced labor, I’m sure the rest will go home and fall into line. I’m sure a few good beatings of some of the leaders would do no harm, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3765 "2014-12-16T23:55:16Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > 1. I don’t much like Putin. > 2. His most significant opposition in Russia is the Communists, who I do like. a lot. > 3. If he falls, Russia is going to be ruled by Zyuganov more likely than by any wussified, ‘liberal democracy’ degenerate, so I like that just fine. > 4. Zyuganov and any of his allies are probably going to be more authoritarian and at least as nationalistic as Putin, and the communists have officially endorsed the DNR / LNR liberation, so whatever comes out of this mess, I think I’ll like it a whole lot more than you and your sort will. > [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Well, if enough of them get sent to do some forced labor, I’m sure the rest will go home and fall into line. > [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > I’m sure a few good beatings of some of the leaders would do no harm, as well. It appears you communists haven’t learned anything from your previous failure and are ready to step up and fail again. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3766 "2014-12-17T00:27:32Z")
CBS news just reported a 50% decline in the value of the Russian Ruble. People are making runs on the banks, and buying large appliances (refrigerators, etc.) which will hold value over time. [Here’s a link to an ABC news story.](http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ruble-rallies-central-bank-rate-hike-27627348) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3767 "2014-12-17T00:31:59Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > CBS news just reported a 50% decline in the value of the Russian Ruble. People are making runs on the banks, and buying large appliances (refrigerators, etc.) which will hold value over time. > > [Here’s a link to an ABC news story.](http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ruble-rallies-central-bank-rate-hike-27627348) Oh, great. A large country with a significant military that is now in economic collapse. What could possibly go wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3768 "2014-12-17T00:49:17Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Oh, great. A large country with a significant military that is now in economic collapse. What could possibly go wrong? Well, Gennady Zyuganov is waiting in the wings. The more things go wrong, the better his chances get. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3769 "2014-12-17T00:53:44Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Ukes? _Really??_ What term would you prefer I use? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3770 "2014-12-17T01:20:01Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Well, Gennady Zyuganov is waiting in the wings. The more things go things. wrong, the better his chances get. Lol. The guy is 70 years old. Id say things better go bad pretty fast if you want your senile old commie running things for long. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3771 "2014-12-17T01:23:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Lol. The guy is 70 years old. Id say things better go bad pretty fast if you want your senile old commie running things for long. I.e. a year older than Reagan in 1980, a year older than Hillary Clinton will be in two years, and three years older than Elizabeth Warren would be if she decides to run against Clinton. Anyway, it’s the party that matters, not a man. Zyuganov’s voters don’t vote for him because of personal charisma. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3772 "2014-12-17T01:27:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Ukes? _Really??_ International communism has always hated the ukulele. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3773 "2014-12-17T01:28:08Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > I.e. a year older than Reagan in 1980, a year older than Hillary Clinton will be in two years, and three years older than Elizabeth Warren would be if she decides to run against Clinton. > > Anyway, it’s the party that matters, not a man. Zyuganov’s voters don’t vote for him because of personal charisma. Reagan is a great example. Senile in office but hey he lines up with my politics so he’s awesome. Just like you and this relic.luckily you don’t have to live with the results if your dream comes true. That’s the schlubs in Russia’s problem. ---
**Author:** ![fire\_hazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6de8d8/32.png) [@fire\_hazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fire_hazard)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3774 "2014-12-17T01:29:10Z")
Hi, I personally would prefer to see the Ukranians referred to using the correct english noun. If St Clare was/is your surname how happy are you to be described as a “Frog”? Take care ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3775 "2014-12-17T01:39:30Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > International communism has always hated the ukulele. It’s the instrument of choice of the bourgeoise. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3776 "2014-12-17T02:45:35Z")
The surfeoise? The Kiev Kahunas? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3777 "2014-12-17T04:27:04Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Maybe this will teach the Ukes not to take to the streets like a bunch of jabbering monkeys at the zoo next time they don’t like the actions of their government. This is Great Debates, not The BBQ Pit. Any similar behavior in this thread or this forum will be regarded as trolling. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3778 "2014-12-17T04:35:09Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is Great Debates, not The BBQ Pit. Any similar behavior in this thread or this forum will be regarded as trolling. > > [/Moderating] My apologies. I’ll watch my language hence forth. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3779 "2014-12-17T04:35:26Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Well, Gennady Zyuganov is waiting in the wings. The more things go wrong, the better his chances get. This is pretty much irrelevant. Putin remains wildly popular. He has established himself, in the views of most Russians, as the man who will re-establish the glory of Mother Russia in such a way that no fiscal or diplomatic crisis is ever perceived as being his fault. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513/3780 "2014-12-17T08:13:06Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Maybe this will teach the Ukes not to take to the streets like a bunch of jabbering monkeys at the zoo next time they don’t like the actions of their government. They’re Russian speaking in Odessa, and no anti-government protests of note (the noteable Odessa protest was the one in which 50 or so pro-Russians were burned to death). The anti-government protests were mostly in Western Ukraine and Kiev. Not that they ever had their own government in Ukraine, since all leaders have been self-serving corrupt bastards to the bone. Ukranians react to that with rightful protests and demonstrations, Russians react with apathy and disillusion which eventually flame up into these more deadly conflicts you see now. But Russia lost the ball, they’ll not gain control over Eastern Ukraine and Ukraine will slowly turn to the West - provided the West does not loose the ball either and refuse to aid Ukraine with generous amount of money and expertise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513.md?page=188) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-has-invaded-ukraine-how-will-the-west-respond/682513.md?page=190)