# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 121
### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2401 "2022-03-15T16:29:22Z")
Yeah, this is exactly what China is trying to avoid by appearing, at least on the surface, to be ‘neutral’. I guess traders aren’t buying it any more than anyone else is. At some point, China is going to have to make a call on this…and, the issue is going to be, how do you trust what they are saying when they lie about so much? It’s going to be a real issue for them going forward. I mean, even if they are being 100% upfront about something, how do you trust that they aren’t?
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2402 "2022-03-15T16:43:19Z")
**A Russian journalist who protested the war in Ukraine on a live TV news programme and released an anti-war video has been handed a fine.**
$280, or 30,000 rubles.
> **[Marina Ovsyannikova: Russian journalist tells of 14-hour interrogation](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60749279)**
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> Marina Ovsyannikova has been fined and released after carrying out a protest live on Russian TV.
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2403 "2022-03-15T16:45:31Z")
A fine? I’ll be surprised if we ever see her again.
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### Author:  [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2404 "2022-03-15T16:53:03Z")
They understood the west would be watching this story intently. If that weren’t the case, she’d already be on the train to Siberia.
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2405 "2022-03-15T17:20:03Z")
The internet conspiracy people are all atwitter that this was staged, that she’s secretly pro war, and that this was pre-recorded and leaked only to the West (with no Russian airing) specifically as counter-narrative to the idea that the media are impenetrably locked down and transgressors are punished harshly.
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### Author:  [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2406 "2022-03-15T17:28:57Z")
> [@Cardigan](#):
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> If that weren’t the case, she’d already be on the train to Siberia.
Can we put this trope to rest? [The worst prisons](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/russia-politics-navalny-gulag/) in Russia are just a few hours drive outside of Moscow. The inhabited parts of Siberia are as modern and accessible as any other place in Russia.
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### Author:  [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2407 "2022-03-15T17:36:08Z")
Okay, on the _proverbial_ train to Siberia.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2408 "2022-03-15T17:57:27Z")
I think this should be playing on all of the radios/communication equipment in the Soviet Russian Army. Just change they lyrics slightly:
_We’re not gonna make it_
_No no we’re not gonna to make it_
_'Cause there’s a million better **armies** _
_With a million better **guns** _
_ **Soldiers** who can **fight** _
_And **leaders** who can **lead** _
[The Presidents of the United States of America - We Are not Gonna Make It - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbTHMo0itw)
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### Author:  [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2409 "2022-03-15T18:21:09Z")
I bet there’s been a lot of shuffling of Chinese funds lately as China tries to sanction-proof itself.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2410 "2022-03-15T18:30:29Z")
This is a fantastic project. People are documenting the war with their phones.
Some footage shows Ukrainian daily lives in a war zone. There’s a lot of video showing battle damage.
Database Link is in blue (it’s database) Its a google drive folder. Very well organized by date.
> [@](#):
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> The Dattalion, a combination of the words “Data Battalion,” was founded on Feb. 27, just three days after Russia launched its invasion, and it has thus far uploaded more than 1,000 videos and photos to [its database](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gbG3m9s7YZoF6ZVEyo-iqJB91s62uLIS) from ordinary citizens. Updated several times per day, it’s organized by day and region and provides the date and locations of the videos and images sent to them of the war, such as the [maternity hospital](https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrainian-pregnant-woman-baby-died-russia-bombing-maternity-hospital-mariupol) bombed in Mariupol last week, [bloodied civilians](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13yRUcuaHGohae2Vug2VZtZlZKQE8WSez) dazed from Russian shelling, and children being rescued and evacuated. The team has regional groups who work to verify footage as authentic.
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### Author:  [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2411 "2022-03-15T19:15:24Z")
And to continue that thought, check up on her whereabouts around 90 days from now…
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2412 "2022-03-15T19:25:44Z")
OH NO! All of our Canadian politicians have now been [BANNED from travelling to Russia.](https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/canadian-press-newsalert-trudeau-joly-anand-banned-from-russia/wcm/f33bfaf1-3b3d-4f83-8e2b-63f5861d7866) Oh the humanity! It was probably on the very top of their list of things that they wanted to do!
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2413 "2022-03-15T19:45:14Z")
From Jack Detsch at the Pentagon:
> **US assesses that Russia has made “limited to no progress” in achieving military objectives in Ukraine nearly 3 weeks into conflict: sr US defense official.**
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> Ukraine’s capital of Kyiv remains under assault from 🇷🇺 long-range fires, but 🇷🇺 troops remain about 10 mi away.
> Places where U.S. has seen NO movement from Russia in Ukraine, per senior defense official:
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> - NO movement of MORE 🇷🇺 troops into 🇺🇦
> - NO evidence of MORE 🇷🇺 supplies coming into 🇺🇦
> - NO indications of Belarus joining fight
> - NO updates on 40-mi 🇷🇺 convoy that “remains stuck”
> US assessment of Russia’s military advances outside of Kyiv, per a senior defense official:
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> - Chernihiv “remains isolated” but 🇺🇦 working to keep comms open
> - Mariupol “isolated & still suffering heavy bombardment”
> - Kharkiv providing stiff resistance to 🇷🇺 forces outside city
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### Author:  [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2414 "2022-03-15T19:55:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> All of our Canadian politicians have now been [BANNED from travelling to Russia.](https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/canadian-press-newsalert-trudeau-joly-anand-banned-from-russia/wcm/f33bfaf1-3b3d-4f83-8e2b-63f5861d7866)
Too lazy to find a cite, but saw a tweet that implies that Hillary is also banned - there goes that vacation for her, I guess.
ETA: and I see that is in the sub-head of that article.
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### Author:  [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2415 "2022-03-15T19:59:25Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#):
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> And to continue that thought, check up on her whereabouts around 90 days from now…
Yes. This isn’t over for her, not by a long shot (from the NYT live blog):
> The protest may cost her more dearly.
> Tass, a state publication, reported that Ms. Ovsyannikova was being investigated for violating Russia’s new “[false information](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/world/europe/russia-censorship-media-crackdown.html)” law, which carries a sentence of up to 15 years in prison for anyone convicted of disseminating news about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that goes against the Kremlin’s official narrative. Mr. Badamshin confirmed that the investigation was underway.
> Dmitri Peskov, the spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin, said at a news conference Tuesday that what “this woman did is hooliganism.”
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2416 "2022-03-15T20:01:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> OH NO! All of our Canadian politicians have now been [BANNED from travelling to Russia.](https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/canadian-press-newsalert-trudeau-joly-anand-banned-from-russia/wcm/f33bfaf1-3b3d-4f83-8e2b-63f5861d7866) Oh the humanity! It was probably on the very top of their list of things that they wanted to do!
Biden, Harris, Blinken, Milley, and a host of others including the press secretary Jen Psaki have also been banned. So Trudeau can get together with them to discuss alternative plans for their dream vacation now that Russia is out of bounds. Maybe Belarus will still let them in?
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### Author:  [@Fluffy\_PickleSniffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fluffy_PickleSniffer)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2417 "2022-03-15T20:04:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> This is a fantastic project. People are documenting the war with their phones.
>
> Some footage shows Ukrainian daily lives in a war zone. There’s a lot of video showing battle damage.
>
> Database Link is in blue (it’s database) Its a google drive folder. Very well organized by date.
Very nice! Thank you for sharing!
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2418 "2022-03-15T20:07:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> Biden, Harris, Blinken, Milley, and a host of others including the press secretary Jen Psaki have also been banned.
Good to know that Trump is still welcome in Russia. 😄
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2419 "2022-03-15T20:12:51Z")
Putin claims 40,000 Syrian fighters are coming to fight in Ukraine. That number is probably exaggerated. But even 10k is too many.
> **[Russia drafting thousands in Syria for Ukraine war: Monitor ](https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2022/03/15/Russia-drafting-thousands-in-Syria-for-Ukraine-war-Monitor-)**
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> Russia has drawn up lists of 40,000 fighters from the Syrian army and allied militia ranks to be put on standby for deployment in Ukraine, a war monitor
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2420 "2022-03-15T20:14:58Z")
Might be a good time to take Syria out of the picture, if much of their military is off fighting Russia’s war.
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