# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2861 "2022-03-21T00:43:04Z")
The president of the Chechen republic, who is a Putin ally and has claimed to be sending Chechen forces to Ukraine, posted a picture of himself capturing a Ukrainian vehicle personally. Problem is, you can see the Chechen presidential palace in the background of the photo. [![](https://i.redd.it/1hnglfhf8mo81.jpg) ](https://i.redd.it/1hnglfhf8mo81.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2862 "2022-03-21T01:26:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Russia needs to consider what they’ll acquire if they eventually win. > > We’ve already discussed a insurgency that will fight for many years. > > There’s also the economic cost of a bombed out country. The economy will be ruined. Keeping the country running will cost a lot for years. There would have to be some rebuilding of infrastructure. > > I doubt Russia would ever fully rebuild the cities. It would appear at this point that the goal of Putin has changed somewhat. Initially the goal was indeed to “win” and acquire Ukraine as a whole entity, install a puppet government and then reap the rewards of milking the Ukraine economy. Now that the Russian army has been curb-stomped, it seems Putin’s goal has changed. Now, the goal is to dig in, plant minefields, and shell the civilian cities into rubble from long range. The goal is to kill as many civilians as possible, and hopefully draw NATO into the war so that he can then show his people that the big bad NATO was always against him/them. If NATO is not drawn into the war, he’ll just keep killing as many civilians as possible, or shipping them off in rail cars to camps somewhere in Russia. Ukranian people are not actual human beings to him (and to many Russians) ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2863 "2022-03-21T01:50:37Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Die to save your country from an invading army? Yeah, sure, probably. Die to protect the ego of some tyrant? Maybe not so much. My concern is that the only people whose opinion on the distinction matter live inside the Putin propaganda bubble. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2864 "2022-03-21T02:40:38Z")
Moderating: > [@Frodo](#): > > have you been asleep since August 6, 1945? That’s a bit personally adversarial for MPSIMS. This isn’t the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2865 "2022-03-21T03:02:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The president of the Chechen republic, who is a Putin ally and has claimed to be sending Chechen forces to Ukraine, posted a picture of himself capturing a Ukrainian vehicle personally. Problem is, you can see the Chechen presidential palace in the background of the photo. Well that’s just proof Ukrainian troops have invaded Chechnya. Good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2866 "2022-03-21T03:11:38Z")
And the Western media hasn’t told us! ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2867 "2022-03-21T03:19:56Z")
Yeah, that’s the sadly hilarious thing about this whole situation. Yes, truth is the first casualty of war, but you have to consider the track record when evaluating a source of information. So far I haven’t seen much out of Ukraine’s ministries, etc. that haven’t been corroborated somehow. Some have been proven to seem inaccurate, but those instances can convincingly be explained through a fog of war. Conversely, the Russian propaganda reads like a Jack Chick tract, and is about as believable. When Ukraine is manipulating its releases, it’s mostly lies of omission. When Russia is doing the same, it’s a completely loony sounding lie. They might as well say Putin is fighting imaginary Nazis hand-to-hand. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2868 "2022-03-21T03:21:43Z")
You mean he isn’t?? I coulda sworn … ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2869 "2022-03-21T04:55:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So the future of the free world depends on the morality of the Russian chain of command? Quite frankly, I find the “free” in that to be disturbingly superfluous. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2870 "2022-03-21T05:05:25Z")
The idea that this is a stalemate has been mentioned a few times. This article agrees. > **[Analysis: Why Putin is mercilessly targeting civilians even as Zelensky...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/politics/zelensky-ceasefire-talks-ukraine-war-analysis/index.html)** > > Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is issuing his most fervent appeal yet for ceasefire talks with Vladimir Putin, but the so-far immovable Russian President is delivering a ruthless response by escalating atrocities against civilians. That’s a military victory for Ukraine but not good news for anyone. It means the killings and destruction will continue. Probably much better news for Vlad than for Ukraine since it’s Ukraine that’s being destroyed, not Russia. Lives are being lost on both sides – in large numbers – but Vlad couldn’t care less about losses on either side. Meanwhile Biden is off to Europe with the expectation that he will be heavy on the rhetoric and light on actual action. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2871 "2022-03-21T06:49:56Z")
I’m not surprised. Odessa is next if Mariupol falls. > **[Kyiv says ‘no question’ of surrender in Mariupol as it defies Russia’s deadline](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russia-sets-5am-deadline-for-ukrainian-forces-surrender-in-mariupol)** > > Moscow offers safe passages to fighters who give in, as US says Joe Biden will visit Poland on Friday ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2872 "2022-03-21T08:11:15Z")
British (🙂) Defence Intelligence update: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOWg486WUAMfKKb?format=jpg&name=small) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOWg486WUAMfKKb?format=jpg&name=small) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2873 "2022-03-21T08:23:11Z")
If Kyiv is Russia’s “primary military objective” why are they dicking around on an additional two fronts? That’s just… well, _stupid_. That just divides their forces and makes achieving anything more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2874 "2022-03-21T11:05:04Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Okay, five dead Russian generals it is then. 😍 This is a merry muddle of dead Russian Major Generals. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2875 "2022-03-21T11:27:22Z")
Glad he took the time to give it a good wash and wax before the photo. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2876 "2022-03-21T12:08:00Z")
Excellent summary of the whole mess. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2877 "2022-03-21T12:13:18Z")
Moderating > [@wolfpup](#): > > Meanwhile Biden is off to Europe with the expectation that he will be heavy on the rhetoric and light on actual action. Remember, this is breaking news in MPSIMS. That political jab wasn’t appropriate in this thread. We have lots of other threads where it would be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2878 "2022-03-21T12:19:09Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Okay, five dead Russian generals it is then. 😍 [https://twitter.com/MaxHanlon/status/1505300081305600007](https://twitter.com/MaxHanlon/status/1505300081305600007) ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2879 "2022-03-21T13:13:01Z")
Mariupol has been utterly devastated. It is estimated that 90% of buildings have been damaged and they are burying bodies in roadside verges. Absolutely disgraceful by the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/2880 "2022-03-21T14:23:42Z")
This again is why the US needs to intervene swiftly and decisively. Otherwise we’re looking at a drawn out years long humanitarian catastrophe that will harm, affect or kill millions more and is in no one’s interest - Russian, Ukrainian, or anyone else. End this thing with one swift blow and everyone can get to post-war rebuilding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=143) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=145)