# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/301 "2022-02-26T19:33:49Z")
I remember a Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs wanted to run for office. Referencing Reagan, he said ‘After all, I wouldn’t be the first Warner Brothers actor to run for office!’ ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/302 "2022-02-26T19:34:11Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > One of my favorite images is a sign reading (from memory): “Putin: Let’s jump ahead to the scene where you kill yourself in a bunker.” You mean this one? [![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/317/698/532.jpg) ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/317/698/532.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/303 "2022-02-26T19:41:32Z")
That’s the one. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/304 "2022-02-26T19:41:52Z")
Funny but I always suspects signs in English in places where it isn’t the language. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/305 "2022-02-26T19:43:01Z")
Ukraine has to hold on and keep fighting until additional weapons arrive. This is from The Guardian News Feed. > [@](#): > > ## Germany to send anti-tank weapons and missiles > > **Germany will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 stinger missiles to [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine), the German chancellor said on Saturday.** > > Olaf Scholz said the Russian invasion marked a “turning point”, and added: “It is our duty to do our best to help Ukraine defend against the invading army of Putin.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/306 "2022-02-26T19:43:56Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > > [@Miller](#): > > > > the garrison at Snake Island > > I really hope “go fuck yourself” becomes a rallying cry. Apparently it already has. I saw a link to a Twitter feed where people in Ireland where surrounding the Russian ambassador’s residence when said ambassador drove up in a car. It stared with waving signs and people draping Ukrainian flags over the limo while the cops looked on with little sign they’d do anything to stop anyone. Ended with the limo driving away as people smashed things across it and screamed “Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!” So, um, yeah, it seems to be spreading… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/307 "2022-02-26T19:50:25Z")
Demonstrators in downtown Chicago yesterday and today were displaying signs in (I presume) Russian and Ukrainian. It’s not uncommon these days for demonstrations to feature signs in many languages. English is the world’s most common second language, as well as the first language of hundreds of millions. If you want to get a message out to everyone it’s not a bad choice. But even if “staged” - the meme holds. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/308 "2022-02-26T19:50:41Z")
Seems like in international arms transfers possession is like 0% of the law. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/309 "2022-02-26T20:09:23Z")
The “bunker” sign is actually being displayed in front of the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, so the bunker sentiment is singularly appropriate. > **[Berlin and Paris illuminate buildings in Ukrainian colours in show of unity](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-paris-illuminate-buildings-ukrainian-colours-show-unity-2022-02-23/)** > > The German capital lit up the Brandenburg Gate, Berlin's most famous landmark in blue and yellow, the national colours of Ukraine, on Wednesday evening in a show of unity with Kyiv as the crisis with Russia deepens. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/310 "2022-02-26T20:10:05Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@74westy](#): > > > > I really hope “go fuck yourself” becomes a rallying cry. > > Apparently it already has. I had the impression one can’t go long speaking a Slavic language without hearing some “Иди на хуй”; that’s fundamental profanity. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/311 "2022-02-26T20:10:44Z")
Putin is now spelled Poot-In. 😏 [Poot - definition of poot by The Free Dictionary](https://www.thefreedictionary.com/poot) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/312 "2022-02-26T20:45:39Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > Germany just lifted the ban on shipping weapons manufactured by them to Ukraine. Thanks guys. Would have been a great move a few months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/313 "2022-02-26T20:58:48Z")
I wonder how long it it between announcing a weapons shipment and the weapons arriving in the hands of the troops who need to use them? It’s not like they can be airlifted in and the Russians would presumably be quite keen to intercept them as soon as they cross the border. Perhaps the politicians make the announcement some time after the weapons begin their journey. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/314 "2022-02-26T21:07:34Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m seeing speculation that Putin might resort to high-power thermobaric weapons. Yeah … this doesn’t bode well (1min vid in article): [https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/02/26/russian-flamethrower-rockets-ukraine-pleitgen-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/02/26/russian-flamethrower-rockets-ukraine-pleitgen-vpx.cnn) I don’t even think Texas allows open-carry of something like that ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/315 "2022-02-26T21:17:11Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > It’s not like they can be airlifted in and the Russians would presumably be quite keen to intercept them as soon as they cross the border. True, the Russians would do everything to intercept any aircraft coming into Ukraine. But I wonder: Is there anything legally stopping a European country from delivering weapons if it can? Ukraine says, ‘You are invited! Bring weapons!’ ISTM that no treaties would be broken. (Russian intervention is a separate issue.) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/316 "2022-02-26T21:29:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > True, the Russians would do everything to intercept any aircraft coming into Ukraine. But I wonder: Is there anything legally stopping a European country from delivering weapons if it can? Ukraine says, ‘You are invited! Bring weapons!’ ISTM that no treaties would be broken. (Russian intervention is a separate issue.) AFAIK, shipments are still getting into Ukraine, either via air or rail. Russia hasn’t, to this point at least, closed down all flights or gotten total air supremacy, especially in western Ukraine, and I’d guess Russia would not really like to have an ‘accident’ where they shot down a western countries flagged aircraft operating legally. I know US shipments are still getting in at this point, and those from other nations too, so I don’t think it’s an issue…yet. As to how long it might take now that Germany has changed course on all the weapons from other countries they were stopping, I’d guess it’s happening already. It won’t be weeks, more like a few days at most. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/317 "2022-02-26T21:32:08Z")
> [@XT](#): > > As to how long it might take now that Germany has changed course on all the weapons from other countries they were stopping, I’d guess it’s happening already. It won’t be weeks, more like a few days at most. In the immortal words of the Talking Heads: Heard of a van that is loaded with weapons, Packed up and ready to go [I would guess that was the directive from, relatively, quite early on.] ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/318 "2022-02-26T21:49:15Z")
#### Feb 26, 3:26 PM ## Russian forces: ‘We don’t know who to shoot, they all look like us’ A senior U.S. official told ABC News they’ve heard a Russian soldier on a radio call saying, “We don’t know who to shoot – they all look like us.” The official also said some Russian forces are disoriented, realizing the battles against Ukrainians are harder than they thought. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/319 "2022-02-26T21:56:55Z")
Not surprising since they are both using Russian/Soviet era equipment. And, basically, the same doctrine as well. Hell, they are probably all speaking Russian for that matter. Even their radio gear would be the same, though presumably they would have different encryption. But, yeah, it’s got to be very confusing, especially on the ground. Are those T-64 tanks over there ours…or theirs?? What about that towed artillery? It all looks exactly the same! And those troops carrying AK-47s? Who are they?? I imagine there will probably be quite a few friendly fire incidents in this chaos. At least on Ukraine’s side, if it’s in the air it’s probably Russian, so shoot it! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/320 "2022-02-26T22:03:06Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I’d guess Russia would not really like to have an ‘accident’ where they shot down a western countries flagged aircraft operating legally. _Another_ [‘accident’](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17), you mean… > Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)[a] was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down on 17 July 2014 while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed.[3] Contact with the aircraft, a Boeing 777-200ER, was lost when it was about 50 km (31 mi) from the Ukraine–Russia border, and wreckage of the aircraft fell near Hrabove in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, 40 km (25 mi) from the border.[4] The shoot-down occurred in the War in Donbas in an area controlled by pro-Russian rebels.[5] > > The responsibility for investigation was delegated to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT), who concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=17)