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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3774 "2022-04-01T14:07:48Z")
_"But the war is not over — there will be even more terrible Battle of Donbas._
_No time for joy yet."_ really sums things up.
Hopefully discipline and morale continue to break down for the Russians.
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3775 "2022-04-01T14:16:43Z")
The Russians seem to be seriously withdrawing from the Kyiv area.
From [liveuamap](https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/1-april-units-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-restored-control):
> Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine restored control over the settlements of Demydiv, Dymer, Lytvynivka, Havrylivka, Kozarovychi, Zhovtneve, Hlybivka, Yasnohorodka, Talakun, Sukholuchcha, Lypivka, Gavronshchyna, Makovyshche, Mykolaivka, Khmilna, Kyiv region.
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> After the enemy withdrew, the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took control of the settlements of Rudnya, Shevchenkove, Bobryk, Stara Basan, Nova Basan, Makeyevka, Pogreby, Bazhanivka, Volodymyrivka, Shnyakivka, Salne, Sofiyivka, and Gavrylivka.
They’ve pulled back about 50 miles east of Kyiv, and the governor of Chernihiv says that Russian forces are withdrawing from the city.
…but they left mines around a confectionary factory and [poisoned the cookies](https://twitter.com/Oleksa_UA66/status/1509857465269211158): 🙁
> In Bucha, the occupiers mined the territory of the Delicia confectionery factory and poisoned malt cookies, the factory administration said.
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### Author:  [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3776 "2022-04-01T14:18:05Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#):
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> That they’re refusing the order (again, these are not good people).
That just means they’re looking out for themselves, and likely believe that if they go to Ukraine that they probably won’t come back, unlike a day of suppressing unarmed civilians.
> [@Horatius](#):
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> There’s also the fact that signing up to oppress unarmed civilians is a bit different than signing up to attack people who can shoot back.
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> Bullies _hate it_ when people shoot back.
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> These kinds of scum soldiers are _exactly_ the guys I’d expect to cut and run in a real war.
Exactly.
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### Author:  [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3777 "2022-04-01T14:26:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> _"But the war is not over — there will be even more terrible Battle of Donbas._
> _No time for joy yet."_ really sums things up.
They’ll have to settle for “grim satisfaction”.
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### Author:  [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3778 "2022-04-01T14:28:11Z")
[ ](https://i.postimg.cc/VvGwYRGX/image.png)
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### Author:  [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3779 "2022-04-01T14:30:53Z")
That’s beginning to look like the start of an actual withdrawal. Sure, they’re likely repositioning and regrouping.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3780 "2022-04-01T14:31:00Z")
That map hasn’t been updated yet, especially west of Kyiv.
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### Author:  [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3781 "2022-04-01T14:31:26Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#):
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> If they thought Russia was winning, then why refuse the order?
Maybe they don’t want to slaughter Ukrainian civilians.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3782 "2022-04-01T14:34:15Z")
Conflicting reports from Ukraine.
Some are tweeting big gains, Russians retreating
Klitschko says there’s massive fighting.
Guardian live blog
> [@](#):
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> ## Huge’ battles being fought near Kyiv, mayor says
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> **The mayor of Kyiv, Vitaliy Klitschko, said “huge” battles are being fought to the north and east of Ukraine’s capital, Reuters reports.**
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> Klitschko issued a warning to residents who have fled the city:
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> > The risk of dying (in Kyiv) is pretty high, and that’s why my advice to anyone who wants to come back is: Please, take a little bit more time.
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> Kyiv’s regional governor said earlier today that Russian forces were pulling back in some areas around the capital but strengthening its positions in others.
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> It comes after an adviser to President Zelenskiy, Oleksiy Arestovych, said Ukrainian forces are pushing back Russian troops north-east and north-west of Kyiv.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3783 "2022-04-01T14:47:04Z")
More on fighting near Kyiv. Posted 15 minutes ago. This may be a last FU attack by the Russians as they withdraw.
Guardian blog
> [@](#):
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> **Russian forces are using a church north-west of Kyiv as a “staging point” as part of their assault on the Ukrainian capital, a senior US official said.**
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> The official, speaking on condition of anonymity and without citing evidence, said the information was based on declassified intelligence.
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> > Military personnel are situated both on the grounds of the church and the surrounding residential area.
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> The official said:
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> > We believe the Russian military is using this staging point as part of its assault on Kyiv.
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### Author:  [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3784 "2022-04-01T14:53:58Z")
Here’s another map. It shows the liberated Ivankiv to the north-west of Kyiv, a crucial supply nexus to the Bucha-Irpin-Hostomel area. Its capture encircles the “Bucha pocket”, although there may not be many, if any, Russians left in the encircled area.
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3785 "2022-04-01T15:39:12Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#):
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> …but they left mines around a confectionary factory and [poisoned the cookies](https://twitter.com/Oleksa_UA66/status/1509857465269211158): 🙁
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> > In Bucha, the occupiers mined the territory of the Delicia confectionery factory and poisoned malt cookies, the factory administration said.
Of all things Russia has done, choosing to prove that you can have your cookies but you can’t eat them, too, is possibly the least necessary.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3786 "2022-04-01T15:56:27Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#):
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> Ukraine has attacked the fuel depot in Belgorod in Russia again, this time with helicopters.
> **[Moscow accuses Ukraine of conducting airstrike inside Russia](https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-accuses-ukraine-of-conducting-airstrike-inside-russia-132343782.html)**
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> Moscow accused Ukraine of sending two helicopters to strike a fuel storage depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday. If confirmed, this would be the first attack on Russian soil since the war began on Feb. 24.
‘Moscow accuses Ukraine of conducting airstrike inside Russia.’ So? What do they expect when they start a war? That the country they attacked would just roll over and welcome them as liberators? Oh, wait… That IS what they expected.
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### Author:  [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3787 "2022-04-01T16:00:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> So? What do they expect when they start a war?
That’s why Putin didn’t start a war. Remember, it’s a “special military operation”, only taking place in Ukraine. Striking a target inside Russia is obviously against the rules, hence the Russian indignation…
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### Author:  [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3788 "2022-04-01T16:00:42Z")
These guys don’t mind slaughtering Russian civilians. I don’t think they would balk at killing Ukrainian civilians.
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### Author:  [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/3789 "2022-04-01T16:03:13Z")
From a CNN video referring to the fuel depot attack (that I can’t watch at work) “Ukrainian attack in Russian city is one of Biden’s 'worst nightmares” Why? It might make Russia mad?
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