# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/21 "2022-02-24T16:00:50Z")
I don’t see the West being willing to engage and lose lives over Ukraine. There’s just too much at stake, and not enough to gain by engaging in open warfare with Russian troops over Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/22 "2022-02-24T16:26:04Z")
I just caught a flash of news this morning, and one of the shots was aerial view of the traffic jams of people trying to leave whichever city was closest to the fighting [didn’t catch where, sorry] I feel for them, I really do _HOWEVER_ as a number of friends of my parents and grandparents were immigrants more recently than our family [Mayflower, we sort of have been here for a while] were folks of the opinion of ‘fuck my belongings, fuck my friends, I am getting out while the getting is good’ and bailed after selling off everything they could and getting steerage class over, many of the employees of my families mills were eastern European and Jewish - they came over in the pogrom era of 1900ish. I will also note that mrAru and I have commented that we are of the same outlook, bail early and bail fast and live. If you know that asshole is moving troops closer and closer, we would be sort of sidling off the other direction as circumspectly as possible with whatever portable goods we consider important. I am really not looking forward to this at all. Oddly, mrAru works in a shop that reconditions/repairs Sikorsky military helicopters so he is not going to be out of work any time soon =( ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/23 "2022-02-24T16:31:58Z")
My gut feel or worry, and I really hope I’m wrong, is that things go in such a way that it becomes unavoidable. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/24 "2022-02-24T16:33:58Z")
I’m curious to see how far west Russia goes. Do they want 50% of Ukraine? 70%? 100%? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/25 "2022-02-24T16:35:08Z")
The Rhine.The channel. London. The Patomac. They will go as far as they thing they can get away with. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/26 "2022-02-24T16:39:33Z")
At the risk of stating the obvious, I will be shocked if Russia gets to stay in the G20 after this. Russia should be treated as a pariah state from this point forward. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/27 "2022-02-24T16:47:27Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I don’t know that it’s necessarily true; they could simply be choosing not to fight then and there. It would be stupid for the Ukrainians to try and hold the line everywhere against a numerically superior Russian attack- they’re far better off engaging in mobile warfare and doing things like counterattacks against undefended flanks, etc… Yeah, I agree. They will almost certainly have to give up much of the southeast up to the Dnieper at least. They simply don’t have the anti-air assets to protect any sort of line that far east, and trying to do so would be futile. What they COULD do is to detach some of their man-portable ATGM teams to hide out and ambush Russian logistics assets once the main body has passed through, though these would be almost suicide missions. But trying to defend that far forward they would lose. They will probably lose even defending further west when they can do so with some protection. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/28 "2022-02-24T16:54:50Z")
The problem with that is twofold. 1. It would mean losing most of their industry. 2. UAV are very good at picking up hidden ATGM teams and the Russians have a lot of experience im doing that from Syria. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/29 "2022-02-24T16:56:58Z")
Absolutely. There simply aren’t any good or easy things Ukraine could do. All their options go from bad to worse. I HOPE they have been moving at least some of their vital assets out of southeastern Ukraine since January and preparing better defenses further west, but no idea if that’s true. To a degree, the Ukrainians seemed to be in denial that this all could or would even happen, so hopefully, that was them just playing up to the press while they prepared. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/30 "2022-02-24T16:58:14Z")
Yeah trying to redeploy west NOW under the russian guns would be practically impossible, If they didn’t do it before they are not going to last long. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/31 "2022-02-24T17:57:33Z")
Just heard that the Russians have taken over Chernobyl. Why on earth put their own troops in that area? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/32 "2022-02-24T18:07:54Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Just heard that the Russians have taken over Chernobyl. Why on earth put their own troops in that area? Well, the reviews have been glowing. Question: Can/will/should all of the countries opposed to Putin’s Putsch ban all flights of Russian aircraft to their countries, and basically tell Russians they can’t leave the house? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/33 "2022-02-24T18:08:57Z")
I think there should be a total economic embargo on Russia. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/34 "2022-02-24T18:09:12Z")
It’s on the approaches to Kiev. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/35 "2022-02-24T18:10:11Z")
Yeah but still, how many of those troops are going to die of cancer in the next 10 years? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/36 "2022-02-24T18:12:43Z")
None (at least not due to nuke radiation), unless they decide to live there. Chernobyl is a tourist attraction, now. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/37 "2022-02-24T18:16:06Z")
About 5000 cases per million. Which is the same as for any other group of 18-45 year old males. The radiation is fairly tiny. People live in the zone. It takes years of exposure to see a slight increase in the cancer risk. Unless they are making their people dance naked before the elephants foot, they should be fine. > **[Elephant's Foot (Chernobyl)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant%27s_Foot_(Chernobyl))** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > The Elephant's Foot is the nickname given to a large mass of corium and other materials formed underneath the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, near Pripyat, Ukraine, during the Chernobyl disaster of April 1986, notable for its extreme radioactivity. Discovered in December of that year, it is located in a maintenance corridor near the remains of Reactor No. 4. It is still an extremely radioactive object, though the danger has decreased over time due ... (Ok, Putin might make Navalnhy do that). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/38 "2022-02-24T18:25:08Z")
Say, you know how cars and other things are very expensive now because of a chip shortage? Now that selling chips to Russia is banned, maybe we could have them rerouted here (and to Japan, and to South Korea). ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/39 "2022-02-24T18:31:46Z")
Lots of the-raw materials for many electronics come from….Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/40 "2022-02-24T18:33:51Z")
Also I doubt China will sanction Russia and they make chips too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037.md?page=3)