# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4284 "2022-04-08T18:44:16Z")
Another social safety net is gone. Basic rights in Russia have suffered major setbacks. Newspapers have closed, tv broadcasters quit, public demonstrations stopped. Putin has wiped out any progess that’s been made since the Soviet Union.
Now the most basic safeguards are lost. No one will know what’s happening to people in Russia. Putin is becoming the next Stalin.
Why would any leader do this to their country? For a unnecessary war?
Imho Kicking Russia off the Human Rights Council was a mistake. Putin wanted an excuse to close the Human Rights offices.
Guardian blog
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> ## Russia to close Amnesty, Human Rights Watch offices
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> **Russia’s justice ministry has revoked the registration of 15 foreign organisations, including those of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch,** Reuters reports.
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> In a statement, the ministry said the Russian units of the organisations, which also included the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, “were excluded due to the discovery of violations of the current legislation of the Russian Federation”.
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### Author:  [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4285 "2022-04-08T19:33:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Putin is becoming the next Stalin.
Really, he is making Stalin look like a Boy Scout.
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### Author:  [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4286 "2022-04-08T19:39:10Z")
Not yet, but he’s working on it.
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### Author:  [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4287 "2022-04-08T19:47:28Z")
Not even close. In numbers of civilians murdered Stalin is ahead by a couple orders of magnitude. Well, at least one order of magnitude, anyways.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4288 "2022-04-08T20:20:05Z")
Interesting story about Voznesensk. They saved the central part of the city by blowing up several river bridges. There was fierce fighting before the Russian withdrawal.
It’s one small success story. Compared to the horrors of Bucha, Mariupol and other cities in Ukraine.
Yes, the title is a bit exaggerated. But any sucess in Ukraine is worth acknowledging.
> **[See how small town fought off group of Russian tanks | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/08/voznesensk-ukraine-russian-attack-troops-newday-lavandera-vpx.cnn)**
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> CNN senior national correspondent Ed Lavandera visits Voznesensk, Ukraine, and speaks to residents that successfully fought back Russian forces.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4289 "2022-04-08T20:32:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Imho Kicking Russia off the Human Rights Council was a mistake. Putin wanted an excuse to close the Human Rights offices.
Right, Putin wanted an excuse and he was going to find one. Kicking Russia off the HRC makes no difference. “Were excluded due to the discovery of violations of the current legislation of the Russian Federation” means they kept calling a war a war and a human rights violation a human right violation and so on.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4290 "2022-04-08T20:49:02Z")
Well, Putin took Crimea with hardly any outcry. So, like Hitler and the Sudetenland, Putin was emboldened to keep making “last territorial demands”.
_Oh, when will they ever learn, oh when will they ever learn?_
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### Author:  [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4291 "2022-04-08T21:21:23Z")
I’ve heard this conflict described as one being fought between one side with lots of personnel but not enough equipment (Ukraine) and the other side with lots of equipment without sufficient personnel (Russia).
However over the last few days a very large amount of military equipment has been flowing into the country donated mostly by the EU and the UK.
Slovakia has donated it’s entire S-300 air defence system to Ukraine in exchange for protection by US Patriot missiles.
The UK has pledged today to send another £100m in military equipment including Starstreak AA missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles and lingerer drones. There’s talk about providing anti naval missiles.
The Czechs have sent a train load of T72 tanks. Poland have sent 100 tanks and I think a bunch of other items.
Germany is likely to send a bunch of stuff too.
Ukraine is arming itself up for phase two.
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4292 "2022-04-09T00:08:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Well, Putin took Crimea with hardly any outcry. So, like Hitler and the Sudetenland, Putin was emboldened to keep making “last territorial demands”.
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> _Oh, when will they ever learn, oh when will they ever learn?_
That is a very ironic use of those lyrics.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4293 "2022-04-09T06:19:31Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Another social safety net is gone. Basic rights in Russia have suffered major setbacks. Newspapers have closed, tv broadcasters quit, public demonstrations stopped. Putin has wiped out any progess that’s been made since the Soviet Union.
If what Putin says is true then there wouldn’t be the need to shut down public discourse. People can’t help but notice news agencies shut down and people arrested. It will eventually sink in.
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4294 "2022-04-09T07:09:12Z")
If nothing else, this war is contributing hugely to the cause of pan-Slavic unity.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4295 "2022-04-09T08:42:04Z")
Well, pan-Slavic unity minus the Russians…
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4296 "2022-04-09T11:14:58Z")
I’m relieved Chernobyl is back in responsible hands. The Russians trashed the place. 149 Ukrainian Guardsman taken away. No one knows if they’re alive. Clean up will take awhile.
What ever happened at the other nuclear power plant? I remember there was heavy fighting near it. Is that power plant under Russian control?
> **[Ukrainians shocked by 'crazy' scene at Chernobyl after Russian pullout...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html)**
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> The sudden ear-piercing beep of a radiation meter fills the room as a Ukrainian soldier walks in. This is where Russian soldiers were living at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and radiation levels are now higher than normal.
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### Author:  [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4297 "2022-04-09T14:05:55Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#):
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> Ukrainians would have to make their own slingshots, those are well over a dollar.
Just send the surgical tubing. I’m sure that’s what their short of after all those rocket attacks.
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### Author:  [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4298 "2022-04-09T14:07:05Z")
I found a letter to the editor from a Russian embassy official (in Manila) outlining the Russian party line just before the attack. It is long and not written well. Still, it provides some insight.
[-=Linky=-](https://www.manilatimes.net/2022/02/08/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/russia-disputes-imminent-invasion-of-ukraine/1832139)
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4299 "2022-04-09T14:24:43Z")
> [@eschereal](#):
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> Really, he is making Stalin look like a Boy Scout.
Lenin, Stalin, Putin. No one could have predicted it.
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### Author:  [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4300 "2022-04-09T14:30:33Z")
Eh, I think Putin is his real name (whatever that means).
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### Author:  [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4301 "2022-04-09T14:38:16Z")
Fiona Hill interview yesterday on the “Ezra Klein Show” (probably behind an NYT paywalll). What I found most interesting was her belief that the atrocities committed by the Russian army in Ukraine are a symptom of the lack of control the army hierarchy back in Moscow has over what happens. The events may not be deliberate in the narrower definition of the word, is what she was saying, I believe.
The deliberate part might be the way the army is manned, run, and communicated with as a general policy, perhaps, and these terrorist attacks and targeting of hospitals, refugee-filled train stations, buses labeled “children” and the like, are simply the outcome of that (my guesses not hers).
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4302 "2022-04-09T14:39:25Z")
I’m impressed with Boris’ leadership responding to Ukraine’s crisis. I’m glad he’s coordinating Europe’s efforts to get weapons and supplies to Ukraine.
Photo of Boris meeting in Kyiv.
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### Author:  [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4303 "2022-04-09T14:53:06Z")
> [@Magiver](#):
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> People can’t help but notice news agencies shut down and people arrested.
You mean the closing of foreign influenced anti-Russian propaganda outlets and the arrest of those induced to treason by their foreign created delusions?
> [@Magiver](#):
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> It will eventually sink in.
I doubt it. Buying into the propaganda can be quite persistent. How many Trump fans have come to the light so far? And they won’t even have to face having enthusiastically supported a campaign of terror on civilians in a neighboring country.
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