# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news
**Created:** [February 24, 2022, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037 "2022-02-24T08:30:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4324 "2022-04-09T19:13:17Z")
If someone senior in the Biden administration also made to trip to Kyiv, that would be a very strong statement indeed.
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### Author:  [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4325 "2022-04-09T19:53:35Z")
> [@filmstar-en](#):
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> If someone senior in the Biden administration also made to trip to Kyiv, that would be a very strong statement indeed
It would just give ammunition to Russian propaganda about Zelensky being a US puppet. There is no reason to help Putin frame his invasion as a preemptive defense against US aggression. Send arms and money. Not politicians seeking a photo op.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4326 "2022-04-09T20:25:11Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> Send arms and money.
And lawyers?
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4327 "2022-04-09T20:28:37Z")
I don’t understand how Ukraine can keep Donbas. They’ve been at war with Russian separatists for years.
That local Russian support won’t go away. Russia could pull back their forces and it would still be difficult for Ukraine to govern.
I don’t see a solution that’s going to satisfy Ukraine.
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### Author:  [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4328 "2022-04-09T20:30:27Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> That local Russian support won’t go away.
Russian soldiers arriving in large numbers and behaving like, well, like Russian soldiers? It’ll go away like a snowball in a blast furnace.
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### Author:  [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4329 "2022-04-09T20:31:11Z")
ISWYDT. The S\*\*\* has indeed hit the fan…
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### Author:  [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4330 "2022-04-09T20:34:54Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> > Send arms and money.
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> And lawyers?
I’d expect they’d need to be able to find their way through a veritable warren of bombed-out buildings.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4331 "2022-04-09T20:42:15Z")
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> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> > > Send arms and money.
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> > > And lawyers?
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> I’d expect they’d need to be able to find their way through a veritable warren of bombed-out buildings.
Makes me wonder what the ‘Z’ stands for on Russian vehicles.
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### Author:  [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4332 "2022-04-09T20:59:44Z")
Russian support in the Russian speaking areas was strong until the Russian army devastated the cities with artillery. Bombing homes and laying siege to towns full of desperate civilians does not win hearts and minds.
However I am sure if there was a vote, there would be a clear majority who would vote to join Russia. Elections in Putins Russia tend to have a predictable outcome. Angry soldiers and police on the lookout for Nazis can be very persuasive vote winning combination.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4333 "2022-04-09T21:52:37Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#):
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> a veritable warren of bombed-out buildings.
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> what the ‘Z’ stands for on Russian vehicles.
😁 😉
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4334 "2022-04-09T22:07:33Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#):
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> The UK has pledged today to send another £100m in military equipment including Starstreak AA missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles and lingerer drones. There’s talk about providing anti naval missiles.
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> The Czechs have sent a train load of T72 tanks. Poland have sent 100 tanks and I think a bunch of other items.
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> Germany is likely to send a bunch of stuff too.
The donation of tanks is very interesting; it would give Ukraine more of an ability to conduct offensive operations, such as trying to dislodge Russian troops in eastern Ukraine.
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### Author:  [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4335 "2022-04-09T22:11:43Z")
We could almost call this WW III by proxy.
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### Author:  [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4336 "2022-04-09T23:51:32Z")
_Stars & Stripes_ has an [article](https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-04-08/Foreigners-ready-to-join-Ukraines-fight-must-pass-tougher-muster-5627595.html) talking about how the standards for foreign volunteers have been tightened up.
I am too fat and too old. 😔
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### Author:  [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4337 "2022-04-10T00:12:23Z")
For some reason, when I see President Zelensky with other people, it always surprises me to see how small in stature he is. He’s 5’ 7" tall, how the hell does he walk with those six foot balls?
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4338 "2022-04-10T00:31:00Z")
His lower center of gravity helps.
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### Author:  [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4339 "2022-04-10T04:28:49Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> It would just give ammunition to Russian propaganda about Zelensky being a US puppet. There is no reason to help Putin frame his invasion as a preemptive defense against US aggression.
How would that be any different from the US puppet Boris Johnson visiting Ukraine?
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4340 "2022-04-10T04:34:19Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#):
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> ISWYDT. The S\*\*\* has indeed hit the fan…
Maybe they could also send a headless Thompson gunner from Norway.
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### Author:  [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4341 "2022-04-10T04:34:40Z")
> [@Odesio](#):
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> His lower center of gravity helps.
/nods head/ Makes sense.
My fav dispensary has a donation jar for Ukraine (as well as fliers about how the money will be delivered/used). When potheads are worried enough to drop twenty dollar bills in the jar instead of spending it on more weed…shit’s getting real.
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> Maybe they could also send a headless Thompson gunner from Norway.
They need the air crews from the Heavy Metal movie.
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4342 "2022-04-10T07:47:13Z")
[https://news.yahoo.com/spurred-putin-russians-turn-one-144438408.html](https://news.yahoo.com/spurred-putin-russians-turn-one-144438408.html)
This will be very bad in the short term. It will, however, be unsustainable in the long term. The country will tear itself apart.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/4343 "2022-04-10T08:26:46Z")
> [@DesertDog](#):
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> Gah! Let’s hope it doesn’t devolve into another [Goiânia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident). There the contamination was cesium-137 but cobalt-60 is also used.
Plenty of cesium in the Red Forest. Plenty of strontium, too, which is another concerning isotope. All of which are reasons to NOT camp in the Red Forest and not to go digging trenches in the place.
There’s no winning when it comes to the Russian troops in the area. If you don’t warn them they’ll do stupid stuff and then they’ll blame you for not warning them. If you do warn them they’ll ignore you because they, Russians, know better or think you’re lying, they’ll do stupid stuff, then probably blame you when bad things happen.
> [@JaneDoe42](#):
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> For some reason, when I see President Zelensky with other people, it always surprises me to see how small in stature he is. He’s 5’ 7" tall, how the hell does he walk with those six foot balls?
With great confidence and panache.
What I’m not sure about is how he does that without the constant clanging of brass…
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